You Must Be Born Again

 Unless a man be born again he cnnot see the Kingdom of God.  Said Jesus in John Three.  Which he restated a verse or two later Verily verily I say unto you, unless ye be born of water and the aspirit ye cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.  Can't see, can't enter in, to the Kingdom of God.  And he goes on about how you can't see the Holy Spirit but can see its effects, and that is the way it is with those who are born again of the Spirit.  And after that we get into the familiar verse about how God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whoesoever believeth on Him should not perish but have everlasting life.  A line or two before that He says that the Son of Man must be lifted up just as the serpoent was lifted up in Moses' day so that whoever looked upon it would be healed of the bite of the serpent.   Born again of the Spirit in order to e see and enter into the Kingdom of God, believing on the Son of Man as lifted up on the cross in odrder toe receive eternal life.

And what is eternal life, He says in chapter tseventeen, but that they know YOu, the only true living God.  

It isn't said in so many words anywhere in scripture that I fcan think of, but what else can it be saying but that we can only know god if we are born again.  And only those are born again who believe in Christ.  the only people on the planet, in this world, who can know God are those who are born again of the spirt.  And this first with the interpretation of the Fall as the occasion of our losing our faculty of knowing God, or the spiritual faculty itself by which Adam and Even had Known god personally.  What died first at the Fall was this faculty, and it is this faculty which is reborn as it were when we come to believe in Jesus' sacrifice for our salvation.  The restoration of our original connection with God.  And only those who do come to this belief have this resotred connection.  the rest of humanity is fallen humanity, humanity wihich is "but flesh" not having the spirit.  We are boall born into the flesh alone when we are born into this life.  It must be the "born of water" Jesus is talking abourt, all born of water, but only those who believe are also born of the spirit.  

There is some dispute about what Jesus means by the word "water" which He contrasts with the Spirit, some even claiming it means baptism so that being born aagain is associated with that rite.  But because He goes on to the contrast between flesh and spirit it seems pretty clear to me that this is the actual meaning of the previous phrase, so that the water is a word that stands for the flesh.  Perhaps the water that breaks before a baby is born.  That is the wonly water I can think of that is connected with the birth of us into this fallen world.  So we are born of water and spirit or flesh and spirit and that is what it means to be born again.  

Fallen humanity clearly does not know God.  In our fallen state we may be taught about God and come to believe in His existence in one form or another, but wqe can't know Him unless we are born again which is the effect of believing in His death for our salvation.   And \\\\  Whis means rthat Jews and Muslims who believe in he one God cannot actually know Him personally because they don't believe in Jesus' death ofr their sins, and the other reliegions of the world don't even have a clear sense of a one true God at all, but many lesser Gods, some three hundred or so in India for instance.  Demons who present themselves as gods.

Post in progress.

Later.

It used to be more or less generally understood when the country was still culturally Christian that this is a feallen world.  What that means may not have been grasped beyond the main outlines of its being a less than perfect place full of evil as well as good things with sufferings and joys all intermingled according to the notion of the Fall has having been the coveting of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.  That is, although it was accepted as the right biblical view of things there was probably not much real concern to live as if it were a reality.  Even in the Christian west people live in this world as THE world, as the normal world, the only possible world.  Not the broken imperfect devious world brought about by the Fall, the first disobeidnece of God by the human race.

For he last couple of years I finally had a more definite idea that in fact I really am living in a fallen world.  I've mentioned it before as stemming from a period in which Hell had become a reality for me.   So did the fallen world.  I really do now thinki of this as not the normal world God created but a broekn deamaged world.  I think of it as transitory, I mean I pretty much FELL it to be transitory as well as broekn and battered and dangerous in a way I hadn't before.  Subtly I suppose but in reality, it is a different world I've been living in for the last two years than I had lived in before.  Oh I always thought of this as a fallen world because of the biblical account of it, but in that way I desribe above, of being aware of it because it was been revealed to be that, but not by experience or feeling.  That is what is different.  I FEEL it to be a different place, and by using the word subtle I just mean to say ithat it's not a big dramatic thing=, but it is definitely a change, a coloration at least but more than that, a real change in how the world feels to me.  It's no longer THE world, it's a way station.

A proving ground in a sense.  But nobody could have an inkling of this who is not a Christian.  Even Christians don't, except in that theoretical sense, or if some do I have no idea how many might.  For me it has been a real change in perspective and I suppose I can't be allone in this but I can't guess how many others might share it.

The main thing it has done is make me aware of the plight of those who don't believe in anything like it, who reject Christianity outright in some scases, or rject it tacitly or don't even reject it in any clear way but simply treat it was some idea they heard from womsomewhere or other that toher people seem to be a part of but which doesn't interest them at all.

Yet I know it to be the actual true history of the world.  To say so would get me only a dismissal as taking my own beliefs too seriously as a sort of arrogance.  There are many other religions in the world after all and Christianity is only one of the many.  They have no reason to prefer it to any of the obhters.  In fact Buddhism in particular in some cases, or Taoism, etc. seem to them to be superior in every way to Christianity.  Far more sophsitcated, full of deep wisdom, CHristianity seeming to them to be some kind of picky morality or the world of all those hypocrites that supposedly dominate it.

So I can't prove it to anyone that in fact it is the true history of Planet Earth and much eyhond, I just have to suffer the knowledge quietly to myself.   And the reason I'm now breringing up the need to be born again is that a fallen world sneeds a solution .  It isn't normal, it's a problem to be solved.  If by the Fall we were made inheritors of Hell, then what we need is a redemption from Hell. And this is of coruse what Christianityh claims to offer.  And that is what being born again is all about.  It is onlyh when we are born again that we are reinstated to the original spiritual state of Adam and Eve, and ebeyond that become the inheritors of an even better inheritance through Jesus, an inheritance the Bible doesn'[t present in any great detail but is more or less hinted at as something much better than the lot of our first preearents.  

The other religions can't know God because you have to be born again of the spirit to know God.  We're all fallen we're all but flesh until we are born agains of the spirti and recover the faculty that can know God. Which occurs either as a result of or as concomitant with the belief that Jesus died on the cross to pay for the sins that keep us in the fallen state and destine us for Hell.

U;I'v now formed the habit of hearing and seeing the fallenness in humanity.  I answer wquestions that come from that fallennness through my prervasive awareness of the difference between fallenness and the redeemed state in to which we are born again.  So for instance when someone suggests that maybe Near Death experiences aren't all about the demonic realm as I have usually thought of it, my answer is But you have to be born again to see the kingdom of God, otherwise all you can see is the demonic realms.  I don't think it's a sufficne t answer to that to point out that sometimes people come back from an NDE to become a Christian because they don't know the difference between the apparently supernatural world of the demonic realms and the kingdom of God.  People who have NDEs usually think they've encountered God Himsrelf, or many of them do.  Jesus, God, they think they've talked with them.  But they can't have, and not just because they can't be in the kingdom of God but because there are many contradicitons with what the Bible says with that idea.

NDEs do show that the soul is a reality and not just a metaphor to explain our experience of consciousness.  This soul is a separate entity that can detach from the body and float above it and see things in the room where the body is lying and even see and hear things that are really going aon in that room while being under anesthesia or in some cases dead without functioning heart or brain.  Many such NDEs occur in this sort of state.  The perceiving self is vividly aware during this astate and has observations that can be verified by the epopel in the room observed and so on.  This is real proof that there is such a thing as a soul, a real living entity that is attached to the bodyh but not synonymous with it.

I doubtg that anyohne who is born again could have an NDE or ever has at any rate.  The experience could in taht case include the realm of God, but none of the acocunts I've heard suggest anything more than the sort of illusions demons ofare capable of creating.  

Post in Progress

It goes something like this:  Instead of taking this world for granted as THE world in which we all live and then die, which means we just no longer live in this world, we are gone, we were there and then we are gone, now I've begun to think of people as born into a testing ground that they don't know anything about, they will live as if it were THE world and die just as described above, simply disappearing from the company of the rest who are still living, when in reality they are accumulating the elements that will determine an everlasting existence when they die.  A Christian should see it this way all along but we don'[t.  I had to have an encounter with the real possibility of Hell to start to see things this way.  We aren't taugjt this.  Or notbody I know was ever taught it.  People live their lives heedlessly, maybe striving for good thnings, doing good to others perhnaps., a life they considere to be consequential and well lived, but this Heaven or hell thing is not part of the picture.  xcept now and then and if it is at all in the picture it isn't more than a vague possibility that nobody knows wherther to believe is real or not.

And if you're not a Christian at all, even cultrually, then none of this is going to enter into your understanding of life at all anyway.  TYour own cultural framework may or may not have an afterlife to look forward to but it won't be the Christian adfterlife or built on Christian morality.

So I listen to a podcast, well no it was a talk of some sort at a gathering for somes sort, by a David Brooks, recommended by a friend, and he has bvery high ideals about the life we could or should be living .  A talk titled The Road to Depth.  He is Jewish burt quotes a lot of the Christian bible.  At the end of it I wonder what the point of it was.  I can't see m to keep it in mind.  But whatever his point was it doesn't seem to include anything about the transitoriness of life or any notion of something to come after this life.    And in any case he has no notiong as far as I can gtell that to qualify for the Christian Heaven or Kingdom of God you must be born again, that is, you need to acquire a faculty none of us is born with the first time around as we endter into this fallen world.    Nbody has any such idea except those who ARE Christians and ARE borna agin, or so I think must be the case.  But it's the life that matters to every human being born into this world and nobody knows anything about it except the very few who achieve it.

Though it is a gift and not a n  achievement so let's be clear about that much.  Still, what is the point of living at all if this is the truth about it, that at the end there is only heaven or hell and although it does have to do with how good a life you live morally speaking, in the end you have to recognize thta you can't deal with your own sin nature at all, yoyu ra stuck with it even if you live the best moral life you can, and you need a Savior from it.  then if you embrace the Savior, receiving the eternal life of knowing that He paid for your sins, then you are born again and can see and enter into the Kingdom of God.  And not otherwise.

It may sound like I'm complaining about how God aranged thisgs but I'm not.  I'm sjust scared for people.  I want them to know and I know they don't.  

And I know a lot of them wouldn't no mater how hard tI worldk to confvince them of it.  

People think they are spiritual when they are not.  You can't be spiritual if you can't see or enter into the Kingdom of God and the kind of spiroituality people think is spirituality doesn't do that at all.  It may lead into spuupernatural experiences of one sort or another, Near Death Experiences in some cases, ghosts and voices and apparitioins and so on, but all that is just the outskirts of this fallen life and not true spirituality.  And it's demonic.  It's the realm of the fallen angels.  Sometimes theyu teach nice things, like being good to other people.  That's a big one in Near death Expereinces.  But they never teah the gospel.  they never teach that you need to be saved.  Theymjust lull people into thinking everything is jut fine, they have no more rfear of tdeath etc etc.

 listening to some audio books of old classics lately, mostly Jane Austen and a bit of Bronte's Wuthering Heights.  Withering Heights is a gothis madness and it teaches a view of the afterlife that is not at all Christian.  Emily Bronte grew up in an Anglican parsonable, why doesn't she have a Chtidyian Vhtidyisn birCHristian fview of the afterlife?   She's got demonic impersonations she treats as dead humans.  but scripture is clear.  Huamns doen't come back to this life.  Ghosts and all that are demonic imperosonalitions of people.

Jane Austen also grew up in a Christian home but there's not a world in anything she wrote to suggest that life is anything more than get through it on its own terms here.  I noted a couple of places where a charatcer mentions religion as something to get involved in beyond the orgdinary as a sort of alternative to the normal means of life, but nothing is said about what that might mean, and one character is shown with his head down on a tabletop with the suggestion that he's probably praying.  And that's all.  In four of her books so far.

What good is Christian culture if it doesn't each the basics about ewhat human olife is all about?

You can't see god or know god because you were born without the facultty for knowing od.  So Buddhists don't beleive there is a God and Tthey are even rather arrogant about their supposed superiority in this sophisticated understanding, since to them it's just an anthropomorphism to believe in God when all there is is all that can be reached by either the senses or by deep meditation.  That is supposed to reveal the whole of reality.  The idea that there is anything outside the reach of those mental experiences just can't occur because that's the limit of experience from their point of view, that's all that humanity can do to known anything.  That's the end of it.  But we're born without a faculty.  No way would that enter into the thought aof any fallen bcreature without the revelation of God, and trhat revelation, the Bible, is scorned by them.  Fairy tale or some such.

jUST ANOTHER LEFTIST LIE: tRUMP SMEARED AS USUAL.

 tHIS DRIVES ME CRAZY.  aS DO MANY OTHER SIMILAR THINGS THESE DAYS OF COURSE.  bUT WHAT i'M TALKING ABOUT HERE IS THAT THEY KEEP DESCRIBING tRUMP AS SEEKING TO "OVERTURN THE ELECTION" WHICH IS NUTS ON TOP OF NUTS.  tRUMP BELIEVED THE ELECTION WAS FRAUDULENT.  wHETHER HE IS RIGHT OR WRONG ABOUT THAT, IT IS NOT THE SAME THING AS SEEKING TO "OVERTURN" IT, THAT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE LEFTIST GARBAGE WORDS THEY USE TO DISCREDIT THEIR OPPONENTS.   yOU HAVE TO REGARD THE ELECTION AS LEGITIMATE IN ORDER TO TRY TO "OVERTURN" IT.  iF YOU DON'T REGARD IT AS LEGITIMATE THEN YOU ARE PROTESTING ITS LEGITIMATCY NOT TRYING TO OVERTURN IT.  wHAT IS THE MATTER WITH EVERYBODY THESE DAYS?  oH, CORRUPTION.  yEAH, CORRUPTION.

iT'S REALLY AMAZING HOW THE lEFT MANAGEDS TO INSERT ITS POLITICAL WILL INTO EVERYTHING WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO BE OBJECTIVE AND NEUTRAL.

hYDROXYCHLOROPQUINE AND THE nEW iRON cURTAIN

 tHIS FRUSTRATING SITUATION BETWEEN LIBERAL AND CONSERVATIVE IS SOMETHING THAT COULD NEVER HAVE ENTERED MY IND BEFORE IT ACTUALLY BECAME A REALITY.  wHO COULD EVER IMAGINE SUCH A SITUATION?  tHAT YOU CAN'T EXPECT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH PEOPLE WHO ORDINARILY ESILY HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH YOU WHTHER FRIENDS OR EVEN JUST PEOPLE YOU'VE MET?  oN PERSONAL SUBJECTS MAYBE IT WOULD MAKE SOME SENSE, BUT THEN IT WOULD BE EASILY UNDDRSTOOD WHY DISCUSSION WAS IMPOSSIBLE.  bUT THESE ARE GENERAL TOPICS, POLITICAL TOPICSNOT PERSONAL ONES.  wHO COULD EVER HAVE IMAGINED IT?

i JUST HEARD OF SOMEONE WHO IS AN "ANTI tRUMPER" BUT i CAN'T ASK WHETHER HE'S THAT BECAUSE HE HAS BELIEVED THE LONG LIST OF LIES ABOUT tRUMP OR BECAUSE HE DOESN'T LIKE HIS PERSONALITY OR WHATEVER. i CAN'T ASK BECAUSE IT WAS A LITERAL WHO MENTIONED IT TO ME, IN THE USUAL CONTEXT OF GIVING INFORMATION i'M NOT ASK ABOUT.  jUST FOR MY INFORMATION SORT OF THING.  sO i WON'T BE SURPRISED TO DISCUOVER IT MYSELF.  bUT MIGHT NEVERTHELESS LIKE THE MAN'S OPINION ON OTHER THIHNGS.  wELL, IT TURNS OUT i DO LIKE THE MAN'S OPINION ON MANY THINGS WHICH MAKES ME SUSPECT THAT IF HE IS AN ANTI tRUMPER IT COULD VERY WELL BE BECAUSE HE BELIEVES SOME OF THOSE LIES ABOUT tRUMP, WO THAT IF SOMEONE DISABUSED HIM OF THE LIES HE MIGHT NOT BE AN ANTI tRUMPER.  oH SURE HEMIGHT.  bUT HE MIGHT NOWT.  sOMEPEOPLE ARE AGAINST tTRUMP BECAUSE THEY DO BELIEVE THOSE LIES.

jUST HEARD A CLIP OF kAMALA hARRIS, i SUPPOSE A RECENT CLIP, ON bEN sHAPIRO'S PROGRAM i THINK, IN WHICH SHE GOES ON AND ON ABOUT HOW tRUMP IS THE CAUSE OF EVERYTHING HORRIBLE, PROMOTES HATRED, RACISM OH i CAN'T REMEMBER ALL O FIT, JUST SUCH A BAD MAN IT'S AMAZING THAT HALF THE COUNTRY LIKE HIM.  gUESS WE ARE ALL SUCH BAD PEOPLE THEN.  bUT MY MAIN POINT WAS THAT SHE PRPOMOTIED THE USUAL LIE ABOUT tRUMP'S SUPPOSED APPROVAL OF THE nEOnAZIS AT cHARLOTTESEVILLE.  gOOD GRIEF, EVEN THE SPEECH ITSELF FROM WHICH THAT INSANE LIE WAS TAKEN DEOUNCED THE NEO nAZIS AS PRECISELY THOSE HE WAS not TALKING ABOUT.  tHAT SAME SPEECH.  aND THERE ARE OTHER OCCASIONS ON WHICH HE DENOUNCED THEM.  yET THE LIE LIVES ON, AND i DON'T KNOW IF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PROMOTING IT BELIEVE IT OR ARE ALSO TAKEN IN BY IT.  kAMALA hARRIS?  aLL YOU'D HAVE TO DO IS LISTEN TO THAT SPEECH.    

aND THEN i NCOUNTERED ANOTHER FAMILIAR CASE OF A LIE THAT PERSISTS AND PERSISTS NO MATTER WHAT IS SAID ABOUT HOW WRONG IT IS BY THE PEOPLE SHOE WHO BELIEVE THE LIE WILL NOT LISTEN TO.  tHAT WHOLE covid cOLLECTION OF lIES.  tHAT'S AN INTERESTING STUDY IN ITSELF.  sTARTING WITH THE EARLY DISCOVERY OF hYDROXYCHLOROQUINE AS A USEFUL ANTIVIRAL THERAPEUTIC IN ITS TREATMENT, WHICH i STARTED HEARING ABOUT WITHOUIN A FEW MONTHS OF THE FIRST MENTIONS OF THE NEW VIRUS.   sOMEONE i KNOW HAD A CASE OF covid AND i VENTURED TO SUGGEST THAT hcl WAS STILL A GOOD ANTIVIRAL RECOMMENDATION IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO STIOLL GET IT, BUT THE PERSON IS A LIBERAL AND JUST SDISMISSED IT WITH AN INDIGNANT TONE OF VOICE AS IF i'D PROPOSED SHE DRINK BLEACH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.  

tHERE'S JUST NO WAY TO GET A LIBERAL TO TAKE THE TIME TO HEAR AOUT THE ARGUMENTS AGAINST WHATEVER IT IS THEY ARE SO CONVINCED OF.  sHE'S HEARD THAT THERE ARE ALL THESE STUDIES THAT PROVED hcl WAS INEFFECTIVE AGAINST covid.  tHAT IS TO HER MIND WHAT sCIENCE CONCLUDES ON THE SUBJECT AND SHE HADS NO INTEREST IN HEARING WHAT A cONSPIRACY THINKER WHICH IS WHAT i SUPPOSE SHE PRIVATELY CONSIDERES ME TO BE, WOULD HAVE TO SAY ON THE SUBJECT.   tHERE'S AHTAT IRONCLAD HERMETICALLY SEALED PBARRIER IN ONE OF ITS MANY FORMS AGAINST COMMUNICATION THAT COULD CONCEIVABLY CHANGE A LIBERAL'S MIND.  

sO SHE DOESN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT HOW hcl BECAME THE DRUG OF CHOICE IN THOSE EARLY DAYS, SHE'S CONTENT WIHTH THE "NARRATIVE.   bUT TWO MEN, SOMEBODY rAOUL IN fRANCE, AND dR. zEV zELENKO IN nEW yORK STATE WHO WAS DOCTOR TO A COMMUNJITY OF ORTHJODOX jEWS, BOTH DISOVERED hcl AS A POSSIBLE THERAPEUTIC ABOUT THE SAME TIME.   from studying the medical literature ON THE SUBJECT OF rREPURP  rEPRPOSED dRUGS THAT MIGHT BE USEFUL IN TREATING A VIRUS.  hcl WAS LISTED AS EFFECTIVE AS AN ANTIVIRUS, THOUGH USED FOR DECADES FOR OTHER CONDITIONS SUCH AS LUPUS, MALARIA AND RHEUMATOID ARTHRITIS.  a PERFECTLY RESPECTABLE WELL TESTED DRUG, PERFECTLY SAFE AND KNOWN TO HAVE ANTIVIRAL PROPERTIES.    zEV ZELECKO DISOCVERED THIS IN THE LIBTERATURE AND SO DID dR. rAOUL IN fRANCE ABOUT THE SAME TIME, AND EACH OF THEM DISCOVERECD UPON USING IT WITH THEIR OWN PATIENTS THAT IT PREVENTED THE DISEACSE FROM GETTING SEVERE AND SAVED ALL OF RTHEM FROM DEATH.  i THINK ALL, PERHAPS ALL BUT ONE OR TWO OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT BUT i THINK ALL, AND BOTHE DOCTORS HAD THOUSANDS OF PATEINCTS.  zELENKO HAD TWO PATIENTS DIE OF covid BEFORFE HE DISCOVERED hcl AND AFTER HE STARTED APPLYING IT HE HAD NO MORE DEATHS.  tHAT'S HOW i RMEEMBER THE ACCOUNT.  aND THEN HE SENT THE INFORMATION OTO pRESIDENT tRUMP WHO MADE IT PUBLIC, AT WHICH POINT THE EVIL ANTItRUMPERS ALL SET ABOUT DEBUNKING IT JUST BECAUSE IT WAS tRUMP WHO SAID IT.   aND THEN THERE WERE SOME STUDIES THAT SEEMED TO CORROBORATE THE ASSESSMENT OF THE DRUG AS INEFFECTIVE AND THAT WAS THE END OF THAT.

aS i PRESENTED WHAT i KNEW IN PREVIOUS POSTS AT THE TIME, THE STUDIES WERE BADLY DONE.  aLL OF THEM.  aPPRARENTLY zEWLEKNKO AND TOERHS WHO TRIED IT GOT THE RIGHT IDEA, USED IT IN THE RIGHT DOSE WITH THE RIGHT POPULATION AT THE RIGHT TIE IN THE SMBOM PICTURE TO SAVE THEIR PATIENTS.  bUT THE STUDIES WERE ALL OVER THE PLACE.  gIVEN TO THE WRONG AGE GROUP TOO LATE IN THE SYMBTOM PCITURE TO BE OF USE, AND OFTEN WITHOUT INK C WHICH IS ESSENTIAL TO ITS EFFECTIVENEESS.  iT HAS TO BE GIVEN IN THE FIRST FEW DAYS OF THE FIRST SYPTOMS BECAUSE BEYOND THAT THE VIRUS HAS ACCUMULATED TOO MUCH PRESENCE IN THE BODY FOR THE TREATMENT TO BE OF USE.  aND THERE IS NO POINT IN GIVING IT TO A YOUNG POPULATION WHO SURVIVE covid WITHOUT ANY TREATMENT, YET IT WAS GIVEN TO THEM ALONG WITH EVERYBODY ELSE WHICH MADE THE FINDINGS TOO CONFUSED TO BE USEFUL.  iT WAS USUALLY GIVEN WITHOUT ZINC, BUT IT IS THE ZINC THAT KILLS THE VIRUS, THE hecl BEING THE INGREDIENT THAT MAKES THE ZINC AVAILABLE FOR THE PURPOSE.  qUERCETIN FORWORKS THE SAME WAYH, TO OPEN THE CELL FOR THE ENTRANCE OF THE ZINC WHICH THEN ATTACKS THE VIRUS.  mANY PEOPLE DIED OF covid BECAUSE THE hcl WAS GIVEN TOO LATE TO BE EFFECTIVE, BECAUSE IT WAS NJOT GIVEN WITH ZINC AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.  oNE OF THE STUDIES, ONE DONE IN bRAZIL, DID NOT USE hcl BUT cHLORQUINE, A PRECURSOR FORM OF THE DRUG WHICH IS LETHAL AT HIGHER DOSES, WHICH WERE IVEN TO PATIENTS IN THEIR STUDYH SO MATHAT MANY DIED OF THE DRUG RATHER THAN OF dovid OR AT LEAST THAT'S PROBABLY THE CASE.  hcl GOT A BAD NAME BECAUSE OF A LOT OF BAD STUDIES.  aND THEN THERE WAS ONE STUDY WHICH WAS A COMPLETE AND TOTAL FRAUD, A COMPLETE INVENTION THAT SOMEHOW GOT PUBLISHED IN A PRESTIGUIOUS MEDIAL JOURNAL, THE lANCET.  a LIE FROM BEGINNING TO END IN THAT CASE.

wAS THIS ALL ABOUT MONEY?  bIG pHARMA?  hcl IS A CHEAP DRUG BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN USED FOR DECADES.  nOBODY MAKES MONEY OFF IT.  oTHER DRUGS WERE BEING RECOMMENDED WHICH HAD NO EFFICACY OR LITTLE EFFICACY BUT COST A LOT MORE.  sO WAS THE MOTIVE FOR ALLY THIS LYING MONEY?  wHAT HAS HAPPENED TO OUR MEDICAL PROFESSION IF SO?

i CAN CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND BEING SKEPITAL UPON HEARING ABOUT ALL THIS.  wE ARE USED TO TRUSTING OUR CREDENTIALED LDEADRERS IN ANY FIELD.  bUT THE TURTH IS OUT THERE AND NOBODY ESEEMS TO BE TAKING THE TROUPLE TO FIND OUT ABOUT IT.  dOCTORS AND NURSES STILL BEELIVE THE LIES.  tHEY BELIEVE WHATEVER THEIR SUPERIORS TELL THEM.  yES UNDER ORDINARY CONDITIONS THAT'S THE RIGHT THIJGNG TO DO.  bUT THERE ARE RED FLAPGS ALL OVER THE PLACE IN THIS SITUATION.  kNOWN HIGHOLY REPUTABLE DOCTORS WERE GETTING SILENCED IF THEY SAID ANYTNING DIFFERENT FROM THE CHOISEN NARRATIVE.  sILENCED.  sINCE WHEN DOES aMERICA SILENCE DISEENTING OPINIONS?  bUT IT WAS HAPPENING ALL THE TIME DURING THE PERIOD OF THE PANDEMMIC.  iT WAS CALLSD "MISINFORMATION" AS IF POLITICALLY MOTIVATED SOCIAL MEDIA MANAGERS WERE QUALIFIED TO MAKE SUCH A DTERMINATION.  oR IF ANYONE COUJLD OR SHOULD IN ANY CASE EVER.   tHIS IS aMERICA.  wE LET PEOPLE SPEAK.  dON'T WE?  oH YOU COULD HEAR IT ALL BUT YOU'D HAVE TO GOV TO OTHER PLACES TO HEAR IT THAN THE SUUAL SOCIAL MEDIA OR STANDARD NEWS SOURCES.  iT'S OUT THERE BUT IT'S BEHIND THAT WALL, THAT BARRIER THAT DIVIDES THE NATION SO THAT AT LEAST HAVLF THE NATION BELIEVES THELIE AND THERE IS NO MAY TO GET THE TRUTH TO THEM.

iRON cURTAIN.  yES, IRT'S REALLY LIKE THE OLD IRON CURTAIN, ONLY IN THIS CASE IT DIVIDES ONE SINGLE NATION RATHER THAN SIMPLY CLOSING OFF A NATION FROM THE REST OF THE WORLD.    aMAZING.  

nOW AND THEN PEOPLE LAMENT THIS DIVISION BETWEEN US AND TRY TO COME UP WITH WAYS TO OPEN THINGS UP TO DISCUSSION BUT IT NEVER WORKS.  tHERE'S SOMETHING NAIVE ABOUT THE EFFORT i SUPPOSE.  i STILL WRACK MY BRAIN FOR WAYS TO ACCOMPLISH THIS.  bUT NOTHING WORLKS.  tHE NEWS MEDIA ARE SEALED OFF, THE SOCIAL MEDIA ARE SEALED OFF, BUT INDIVIDUALS THEMSELVES ARE SEALED OFF.    pART OF THE NAIVETE IS SOME VAUGE IDEA THAT IT'S ALL JUST A BIG MISTAKE AND WE CAN OALL JUST OVER COME OUR SILLY PREJUDICES AND EMBRACE ONE ANOTHER AND FIND COMMON GROUND OR LEARN TO APPRECIATE OUR DIFFERENCES OF OPINION.  bUT THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE WHEN ONE SIDE IS FED BY LIES.  yOU HAVE TO BE EILLINGOTO CONDSIDER SOMETHING THAT WOULD QUESTION YOUR WHOLE FRAME OF REFERENCE.  mOST PEOPLE ARE NOT WILLING TO DO THAT EASILY AND ALL THE INFORMATION THEY ARE FRECEIVING ON THE LEFT WORKS AGAINST THEIR MAKING THE EFFORT.  NAMECALLING, BRANDING THE rIGHT AS CONSPIRACY THINKERS OR FASCISTS OR WHATNOT, THAT'S ALL IT TAKES.  kEEP CALLING US NAMES OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR A THING WE HAVE TO SAY.  eVEN IF ON THE SURFACE THEY REMAIN FIRENDS WITH US.  wHAT A STRANGE SITUATION.  

correction?:  :   i DON'T KNOW WHY i KEPT WRITING hcl FOR hYDROXYCHLOROQUINE.  iT SHOULD BE hcq.  i HOPE i GOT THAT RITGHT SINCE i CAN'T SEE IT.  hcq.  iS THAT CLEARER?   i DON'T KNOW BUT AT LEAST IT PROBABLY ISN'T hcl

hEY, i fOUND jvk'S sPEECH aBOUT hOW tAX cUTS pROMOTE pROSPERITY

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Income Tax Cut, JFK Hopes To Spur Economy 1962/8/13 (youtube.com)

kIND OF MAKES ME WONDER WHY HE'S THE ONLY ONE AND NOBODY, AT LEAST NO dEMOCRATS, FOLLOWED HIM IN THAT POLICITY.  aND ONLY THREE rEPUBLICANS FOR THAT MATTER.               hE'S VERY CLER THAT TAX CUTS WILL FREE UP MONEY AT ALL LEVELS OF SOCIETY TO CREATE JOBS, INCREASE WAGES AND SO ON.

tRIED TO FIND OTHER VIDEOS i'VE MENTIONED HERE.  i COULDN'T FIND THE ONE THAT SHOWS tRUMP SDOING THAT MOCKING GESTURE WITH HIS HANDS TO MANY PEOPLE OTHER THAN THE DISABLED REPORTER.  i KNOW i SAW IT ON yOU tUBE WITHIN THE LAST YEAR BUT i CAN'T FIND IT AT ALL NOW.  gUESS yOU tUBE DID THEIR USUAL CENSORSHIP TO KEEP ANYONE FROM GETTING ANY IDEAS THAT MAYBE tRUMP ISN'T THE EVIL PERSON THEY WANT YOU TO BELIEVE HE IS.  wELL, IT MAY BE ON rUMBLE OR SOMEWHERE ELSE BUT LOOKING FOR THESE THINGS IS NOT EASY FOR ME.  

tHE cHARLOTTESVILLE SPEECH DIDN'T COME UP AS i REMEMBERED IT BUT MAYUBE i JUST FOUND DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF IT.  i DID HEAR HIM DENOUNCING THE NEOnAZIS IN AT LEAST ONE PRESS CONFERENCE, BUT i DIDN'T COPY THE url FROM ANYTHING BECAUSE i WAS STILL LOOKING FOR THE SPEECH i REMEMBER SEEING SOME MONTHS AGO.

tHE ORIGINAL VIDEO OF HE tONY tIMPA INCIDENT IS ALSO NOT THERE ANY MORE BUT THERE ARE VIEOS OF NEWS STORIES DISCUSSING HE INCIDENT BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO TRIAL AND SOME OF THE ORIGINAL FOFOTABLE IS INCLUDED IN THOSE.

iN A FURTHER DISCUSSION WITH MY BROTHER ABOUT THESE THINGS HE TOLD ME THAT ALTHOUGH bIDEN HAD THREATENED TO RAISE TAXES ON THE RICH DURING HIS PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGNK AS A MATTER OF FACT HE HAS NEVER DOE SO, WHICH IS PROBABLY BECAUSE HE KNOWS IT WOULD "TANK THE CECONOMY" ACCORIDNG TO MY BORTHER.   bUT THE INFLATION WE ARE NOW EXPERIENCING IS DUE TO HIS TRESTIRCTIONS ON THE OIL INDUSTRY.   

Another One the Liberals Get Aggressively Wrong and Refuse to Think aout: tax Cuts for the Rich

 Hard to get a liberal to listen to this one.  As with most of their opinions, they just blurt out how stupid wrong and crazy it is to cut taxes for the rich.  Just a bunch of greedy capitalists and that sort of thing.  As with most political issues they don't know what they are talking about, and as usual, to repeat myself, they aren't interested in finding out if there is even another point of view oin the subect.

I'm pretty stupid when it comes to money matters myself but I've made an effort to get some of this sortsa kinda clear in my head.  The general idea is that tax cuts for the rich benefit the whole country, they boost the economy, create wealth, spread the wealth, generate prosperiity.  Capitalist policies can do that, Social ist policies dont, they just destroy an economy, making people poorer, killing incentives to create and invent and expand and funneling all the money of the people into the heands of a small ruling class who rule the people, reduced to extreme poveryty, as totalitarian tyrants.

Cuttin taes for the very wealthy frees up their money so that they are motivated to invest it in expanding their businesses or createing new businesses and ctonributing to community projects and so on and so forth.   That happened when Trump cut taxes, and Reagan and so on.  The whole nation benefits.  There are more jobs and business owners can afford to pay higher wages too.  When you strangle them with tasxes and restrictions they cut the work force and cut back on all kinds of things.  That's not how you grow an economy.   It's perhaps counterintuitive but it's not all that difficult to uniderstand if you honestly give it some thought.  Liberal prejudice against the wealthy as such is the probvlme.  Envy perhaps but ignorance for sure.    

They e always saying how supposedly the very rich aren't paying their fair share.  Fair share is a catchword for them.  But they don't know what they are talking about.  They quote a small percentage as the amount of tax paid on his wealth by a wealthy person without considering what that means in reality, which is that even that small percentage of reveneu going into the government amounts to something like forty percent of the revenue the government has, that they get from taxes.  Just a very few ewealthy people paying thta small percentage of their wealth in taxes pretty much runs the govenment.  That's the highest income bracket I'm taking about.  Not many in that bracket but it's a very few people who are supporting the whole shebant.  The next leftl down of wealthy people contributes just a somewhat smaller amount overall but still it's  these wealthy people who are paying for all of us.  What do you mean by "fair share" anyway?  

Just called my brother who keeps track of these things and gets hisnumbersfrom the IRS.  He says that it's the top one percent of income that pays thirty seven perecent of the revenue.  If you count the top twenty perecent, they are paying seventy seven percent, and if you include it all in the top fifty percent  they pay ninety seven point three percent of the tax reveneu.  What fair share were you talking about?:

The bottom fifty percent of income, which includes all us poor people, pay two point one percent of the total revenue, and that bracket include twenty five percent to pay no taxes at all but in fact get "earned income credit" from the government.     What fair share are you talking about?

He also mentioned that cutting taxes on the righ actuall y increases the amount of vrevenue the government receives in ta

Helso mentioned that tit ws four Presidents who accoumplieshed this feat of increasing revenue by cutting taxes:  John Kennedy, yes a Democrat, Reagan, George Bush and Trump.  He says Kennedy made a speaech about how cutting taxes raising traises revenue and that it should b eavilable on You Tube.

Liberals need to get an education in how capitalism builds wealth and socialism shrivels it up.

Meajing national wealth, not just personal wealth.  That's how america became the most prosperous neation on earth.  But of course we're losing it now because of liberals who are now running things and leaving a burned out wasteland behind their every move.

Also, it has been the wealthy who started things like libraries and museums and all sorts of other things that benefit society that wouldn't exist without them.    

Thee are bad wealth popel too.  Who are destroying things.  I could tget into all that but not in this one right now.  

A couple of good sources for this kind of information are Thomas Sowell and WalkterWilliams.  Oh, also Milton Friedman.   

I have this awful feeling that since it doesn't fit the liberal narrative  any liberals reading this will just treat it as a crazy rant or some such, call us MAGA goods, which I heard from some liberal source earlier yesterday, and ignore it al while they bot e for the crazy people who are going to reduce us all to poveryty subject us to criminal assault and require us to walk around human feces on the sidewaklks of all the once beautiful big cities of America.

NOTE:  That was MAGA Goons that got written some other way   I guess I'm now a MAGA goon.   That was said by a few young men running a podcast against Trump and for liberal caues.  They giggle a lot.

Added later:  I can't find where I said by way of example that in the Reagan years due to his cutting taxes revenue increased\\\\\\\\\ doubled, from half a trillion to one trillion.  That's a big increase, all due to cutting taxes.  Counterintuitive, sure, I guess, but true, and according to my brother borne out in every adminstration that cut taxes, those four mentioned.    see, in America you actually have the gfreedom to get wealthy if you have what it takes for that.  It's a special skill and not all of us have it.  Skill, mentality, whatever.  Money bores me but there are those who love working with money.  Those who get rich are in that camp.  We shouldn't envy them, we should understand that they contribute a great deal to the American vision.  The framers of the Constitution tried to design things to avoid the excesses of our fallen nature.  We're all greedy for instance, but that along with all our other foibles can be made to  serve the public good if human nature is rightly understood and contrained by checks and balances.  That's how a poewer mad politician is contrained from becoming a tyrant in America.  He is hedged about by other branches of the government that keep him from fully expressing his worst qualities.  We all have such qualities.  One of the stupidities of the Marxist Left, yes that's what it is now, Marxist although a few decades before not so much, but one of its stupidities is some idea that some people are better than others.  Well in a certain sense of course that's true, but government can't depend on getting the good ones in office all the time.  Socialist nations get ruled by the worlse because there are no contraints against that rule, and what is now happening in America is that our built in contraints are being ignored by the Left, just plain ignored.  Biden has done so many unconstitutional things I'm amazed notobody has stepped in to put a tstop to it.  I don't get it.    Howeverk there's more to this too.  America was once a truly Christian nation, not in that everyone was a born against Christian ut in that the vast majority tried to live by the principles of the Biblical faith.  The culture was shot through with Christian morality.  That's what tOQUEVILLE WAS MOST TSTRUCK BY WHEN HE VISITIED US.  aS SOMEONE PARAPHRASED tOQUEVILLE, aMERIA IS GREAT BECAUSE SHE IS GOOD.  wELL, WE'VE LONG SINCE LEFT THAT WONDERFUL PHASE OF OUR HISTORY, THANKS TO THE FORCES OF EVIL WHO ARE SMARTER THAN THE FORCES OF GOOD.  iN A NATION POPULATED BY PEOPLE TRYING TO LIVE TO THE BIBVLICAL STANDARD VERY FEW REGULATIONS ON THE FALLEN NATURE ARE NEEDED.  sOME FOR SURE SINCE WE ARE FALLEN AND THAT COESN'T CHANGE, BUT FEWER THAN ARE NEEDED NOW, OR SEEMTO BE NEEDED OW.  wHEN PEOPLE ARE GUIDED BY A FEAR OF gOD SO THAT HURTING ANOTHER IS SIMPLY OUT OF THE QUESTION, AND THAT INCLUDES MUDERING OR LYING TO THEM OR STEALING FROM THEM AND SO ON, ALL THE tEDN cOMMANDMENETS, WHEN ALL THAT IS BUILT INTO THE CONSCIENCE OF THE MAJORITY, THE NATION PROSPERS AND THERE IS TOLERANCE AN MORE THAN TOLERANCE, A KINDNESS BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT CLASSES.    i GUESS i'VE GONE ON ABOUT THIS ENOUGH FOR NOW.

wHAT IS FALLENNESS, THOUGHJ?  aLL THE SINS.  oUR EGOCENTRIC SELFISH NATURES.  lYING, STEALING, JURDERING ETC ETC ECTC.  

Liberal recalcitrance

Back in the doldrums.  Got too optimistic about solving the great political divide problem .  Too manyu voices telling me can't be done.  Doesn't matter what you say, even if you prove to them they've been lied to about Trump they hate trump anyway and just don't care.  give it up.  That's what I've been hearing.  Maybe they're right.  Hard to believe that ALL libetals would be that stubborn and closed to the influence of actual facts but what do I know?  

I did remember one other exchange I wanted to report.  I get that they are unhappy about the Roe v Wade decision , of course.  The fact that it was an illegal law that was simplty removed from national status to be thrown back to the states ;isn't interetsing to them I guess.  Who cares if it was illegal, we awanted that law, or something like that.  Well sure, lots of laws that were created by the Supreme Court instead of by the legistlature which is supposed to be the cretor of laws, are what they want.  I guess they don't care if it's all done illegally as long as it's what they want.  Gay marriage for instanc3e.  

I'm surpirsed that they continue to use some pretty tired and false defenses of the supposed Pro Choice position.   Nboody just rushes into aboritnon they say, it's often an agonizing decision, something to be very careful about.  take your time, do it for the right reasons, not impuslsively etc.    But tehy know and I kow, many women know from personal experience of self and friends and acquaintances that that simply is not true.  Abortions are sought in the vast jamority of cases because the baby is unwanted , period.  Perfectly healthy mother, perfectly healthy baby, just inconvention at the time.  Even some marriaed peopl ego for abotrtion.  It's uised as a sort of birth control in the vast ajority of cases and that idea that anyone spends any time agonizing over it is just  a silly lie to make it sound nicer or something.  Good greif.    Besides, how would one agonize over such a decision anyway?  If it's a human being you are thinin g of killing, how much agonizing is really possible anyway?  The liefe of the mother , sure, burt that one is very rare and it's a doctor's decision rather than the woman's.    'm juxg xupfixdc ghzg znyhond soulc zllos hdfxdlv go mzkd xu h z xilly zfbumdng.\\

then I heard that a woman in texas aws denied an abortion under the new state's law although her life was indceed threatened, the idea being that Texas doesn't have a lwaw that protects the woman.  Well, Texas does.  There was some kind of medical qursyion about whether the woman's life really was in jeopardy.  It was not about the law at all, but a octor's call.  Maybe the doctor was wrong.  I don't know, but it wasn't about the law.   Why don't our liberal friends get these things sort ed out before they get all emotional about how pro lifers would even kill the mother in order to esave the baby.  Even liberal s who live in liberal states have some feverishly emotional worries, in liberal states where there will be the most liberal laws available for abotion for any purpose whatever.  Good grief.  

I have to suppose they really don't think it's a baby, haven't really faced the fact that from conception it has all the DNA to maeke a particular individual human being that will continue to grow into that human being if you let it be.  So that interfering with it's growht is to take the life of a human being.   I remember when I finally had to face that fact.  It broke my heart because I had had an bortion when I was twenty.   I was told it was just a piece of tissue.  Nosw I think of it as my child I hope to meet in the presence of Jesus.

We have too many laws these days that violate God's Law, and what theat means is that God's wrath abides on this nation.  It was a relief that WRoe v Wade was sent back to the states where it belongs because that took it out of its status of national abomination which was killing millions of babies every year, sixty mtwo million I think by now.  That's a lot of bmurdered human souls cring out to God.   gay marriage is also an affront to Goed.   We left out original Christian culture long ago.  We are now under God's wrath, have been for decades by now, which explains a lot of the destrution we are witnessing at the hands of the Mraxists.  they are the cause of our being under God's judgment, and now are being used as God's tool of judgment.  It would take a miracle to reverse this.  I guess we can pray and hope.  Pray as the prophet daniel prayed, confessing the nisins of the nation to God.  But in all probabiltiy we won'd be able to do enough before Jesus returns and brings it all to an end anyway.  I guess we have to keep trying nevertheless.

The Political Divide is Maintained With an Iron Grip by the Communication Blackout

The biggest political problem we have, it's seemed to me for a long time, is that it is just about impossible to communicate with the Left from the Right.  The mainstream media are all controlled by the Left, their news is all slanted Left, they even tuck rods into their news reports to load them with opinion although they are supposedly news.  So that just about anything repoted about Trump's views gets a word inserted into it to say something like "his FALSE idea that" or his "UNWARRANTED ivew that" whicdh as far as I know has never been done in news accounts until quite recently.  A feaw years perhaps.  Since Trump started running for President perspehaps.  maybe before, not sure, but definitely since Trump, their effort being constantly to trash whatever he says or does in the most ... well, in every way they can.  I wonder how many people even notice the insertion of those manipulative words into a news report?    Does anybody on the left see them or hear them?  Accept them as legitimate reporting if so?

That is more than I planned to say but it's aproppos.  The point is that there is no wa to get the conservative point of view across the great political divide to peopole on the left becaue all the avenues are blocked by the Left.  They own the media, that's the main thing.  If you want to hear a conservative opinion you have to go out of your way to find it.   or all the average Democrat in this country knows, he or she is getting normal news.  It wouldn't have to occur to them theyat they are getting opnly what the Leftist elites want them to get.   They believe it.  What else should they do?  

That is a huge frustration and to my mind it's THE reason for our slide into totalitarianism, that we can't have a dialogue with the other side.  It's not just that liberals blow us off, which they do, it's that heyh are physically deprivesd of hearing anything other thatn the liberal line on everything.   It frustrates me all the time that I hear such good analyses of the news from the conservative side every day but know that it will never get past ythe circle of consercvaatives who listen to conservative programming.  There maybe millions of us, well there ARE millions of us, but we're locked into our own sealed off compartment.  We have lots of talk show hosts who talk every day, dozens of them all over the country.  We have excellednt thinkers who have podcasts, we have excellent publications, all sorts of great resources.  But the liberals, the Demostracts, the rank and file on the left, can't get to them, don't even know they exist, and of course if they're told, they are so soaked in their own leftist propaganda they have no interest in finding out about any of it.

Matt Tyobi, sorry again about the spelling, mentioned on the Mark Levin show that he'd seen some old friends after his stint witht e twitter Files, andasked them about some newsworthy event or other.  I don't know if he named the event or  iddn't mention it, but I missed it so don't know what he asked them.  Anyway, he was distressed to discover that they'd never heard of it.  Tyobi is a Democrfat, or always was as far as I know so I gather the same is true of the friends he's talking about.  Liberals, Democrats.  They don't know all kinds of things becaue the media are so successful at keeping them from the information.   

So as I pointed out in the previous couple of posts, they never hear anything to change their minds about the lies against Trump.  We on the right know that Trump denounced the neoNazis, they on the left don't.  We on the right know that Trump didn't mock a man for his disability, they on the left don't.  We on the right know that Trump had nothing whatever to do with any insurrect5in but emphasized a peaceful protest, but they on the left don't, beause all they ever hear is the smear campaign against Trump.  It's endless, every speaker on the leftist media reiterates the smear against Trump and against Conservaives.  It's endless.  They state sas if it were fact that Trump is a fascist, etc etc etc.  It's probably the most diabolical situation that's every existed and I can believe that's lieteral.  The devil is smart.  To be able to pull that off, so effectively isolate half the country from the other half, takes some sort of genius.  I wrackmy mind for ways to overcome thie blackout.

Even Tyobi recognizes the problem.  Talking out the issues is difficult enough if you try it with any given liberal, it takes time, patience, much much careful effort, it can't be done in a short encounter or eve n a dozen short encounters, and this media blackout ujust about seals the deal.  Hermetically sealed off from each other.  

I'm sure that if liberalxs did hear other sides some wouldn't come over to our side, but I'm also sure that many would.  They'd have to see that they'vew been lied to.  Not all liberals would be happy to discover that no matter how committed they are to a particular point of view.  EWEven if they hate Trump with a passion could they really just shrufg off the knowledge that he's been so relecntlessly smeared they are believing lies about him?   Brandon Strat, I think I remembered his name right, discovered that Trump didn't mock the disabled man and went on a search for more ways he might have been lied to as a lifelong Democrat, found out that he'd been consistently lied to and founded the Walkway Movmenet of Democrats leavintg the Partly.  They may not become Republicans but they reject the Democrats.  Because they see how they've been manipulated.

But getting people to see this is the hard part.  I wrack my brains for a solution to this.  I think the country's welfare depends on solving this particular problem.  We have to find a way to get the liberals to hear us.  

End Notes on the Political Divide, Maybe

 Liberal friend asks if I'd agree that both sides spin the news to suit our political position and that accounts for a lot of our insbility to agree on facts.  I'm not sure abourt the last part of that, I'm gusessing about that part, but she did seem to expect me to agree that both sides spin the facts to suit our political views.

Well, I don't agree but I can aoncede that since we view the news through our particular poitical lenses that our political opinion s are going to shape it and color it even to the point sometimes that it is hard to recognize eachothers' s poisition it's so different from our own .  Sometihing like that.  But no, if we're talking about spin no, the right does not spin in the sense of manipulating facts to create a particular impression such as I was trying to show in the examples I gave in the previous post.  That is not just the news freighted with a political viewpoint, it's the news altered by intention to make something apprear to be the case which is not the case.  In those examples , at leats the first two of them, the news was specifically manipulated to make Trump look bad, make him out to be sympathetic to neo Nazis, make him out to be the sort of crude person who would mock a man's disability.  that's not ordinarly political coloration, that's outright lying to destroy a person.

In the Gerlge Floyhd example, thebelief that he was killed by racist politic led to rioting that destroyed cities and nobody saw fit to try to stop it.  If anybody knew about the tony timpa case, a white man who was killed in eaxactly the same way as Floyd was, it was kept from the public.  It is still kept from the public.  You have to go out of your eway to find it.  he was treated to exactly the same police manuever, he also kept protesting that he couldn't breathe, and after eleven minutes you can hear on the audio as he exhales his last breath.  After which they frantically try to revive him but it's too late.

At least the public should be wmade aware of the Tony Timpa case but that isn't happening and I guess it won't because the media are in service to eh Left which doesn't want to have a democracy in whicdh all sides get heard and the truth is allowed to come out, they want a totalitarian regime in which we all bow to leftist policieeds and the media are servicing that aim.  even though there are lots of good conservatives tgalking on the radio and in podcasts and through good organizations and publicastions, their point of view is never allowed to spread to the public at large.  All they ever get is leftist spin, real spin, real lying manipulating spin.

the eorge Floyd case gets even more complicated as there is some good evidence that he didn't die of the police manuever at all, but of overdosing on some heavy drugs.  he was already complaining that he couldn't believe before he was put into that manuever.  Certainly we could regard the decidsion to treat him that way as a great error of judgment at least, but apparently he was hard to restrain and bad decisions were made.  I don't know the whole story but apparently it is now told in a fiolm titled The Fall of Minneapolis.  

In aycase Derek Chauvin is not guilty of murder or even manslaughter.  He was following police procedsures and mistakes don't get you imprisoned for murder or manslaughter in a normal functioning justice system.  Which we no longer have.

As often happenes I managed not to talk about what I started out to talk about but I guess I can start on that here.  I didn't know much about the E Jean Carroll case yesterday, and I'm very li.klely getting her name wrong beause I konly know it by how it sounds since I can't read it.  I still don't know the whole story but I now know that this defamation he was charged with , Trump I mean of course, was calling her a liar and insisting he isn't guilty of what she accused him of.  Now THAT is a miscarriage of justice.  Good grief if you can't protest that you're not guilgty and the accuser is lying there is nothing canyone can safely say in this country any more.  I'm sure this must be the only time in the history of the planet that chargeds of defamation were brought against someone for saying that, the whole thing should have been thrown out of court bwfore it got to the doorway.

I was also ruminating about my liberal friend's complaint that Trump was behving like a child in the courtroom.  Well, OK, that speaks to his personality and many people don't like his personality.  The Guy from Queens is one way that \\\\ he gets described, which I surmise describes a rather crude or impuslive personality or something like that?  I don't know.  But in any case it's personality and when you start talking about his personality you've left the topic of justice.  Well, is the complaint that he's flouting the law or that he is behaviorng like a child?  I guess you can object to both but rally not in the same breath if you want to make a point about what's going on with him.    

It's possible that quite a bit of Trump's personality is what epopel turn into a criminal mindset or something like that?  I can't fathom what they are doing with Trump.  He's no fascist but they insist he is.  Just the usual leftist following of the instruction manual which tells them to acuse the opposition of what they are guilty of?  That's how I tend to read it.  Because they are the ptotalitairans, not Trump.  They are the destroyers of democracy, not Trump.  they are the ones who have censored conservativeas who simply hold opinions they disagree with.  That's totalitarianism.  The right doesn't do that sort of thing.  Yell and scream and call the Left names sometimes, yes, but actually try to censor them, no, actually lie about them, no.  there's no need, they are objectionable enough just as they are.  Ha Ha.  

Mark Levin hade Matt Tyobe on his show this evening, and I'm sure I'm mangling that name for the same reason I mangled Carroll's, I'm just going by how it sounds.  Tyobe is the man who exposed the twitter fils about all the censorship of poolitical positions the Left doesn't like.   He's recently exposed a group who are plotting to bring down the next election by various means jut as they brought down the previous one.  As Trump keeps saying, 

THIS IS NO LONGER AMERICA.

I still ponder how it might be possible to have a real discussion with liberals.  I'm told it's not possible, give it up, they don't want to talk, they want to hold onto their opinions no matter what, partly because they reall y do believe you have nothing to say anyway.    But I go on daydreaming.  And I'm pretty sure I know how it should be done procedurally.

A bigproblem I fun into with liberal friends is getting rushed, trying to say too much, trying to say something when I'm not ready to say it and hevaveln't had time to think it all through.  The time has to be made to think it throutgh.  No more than one issue at a time should be brought up for discussion and it should be discussed in calm orgiving tones on both sides,k but at least on the conservative side.  Gerting frantic and anxious is an enemy to making any headway at all.  If it needs to take dayhs or weeks, then so be it, but maybe a few hours or less is all some issues would need.  but it woulde hve to be throughouthly pursued so that both sides know that what they think about it is ver y clear.  

Tha's pretty much what I said a couple posts down too.  

The way things are going, though, it's probabsly a lost cause.  We're coming down to the very end and the return of Christ and any victories at this late date would no doubt be very short lived.  But then, I don't know, we don't know when the EndTimes are going to unforld with an;y certainty and we have to keep busy at our calling in any case.

Railroading Trump

 So what I had thought was headway in a disussion with a liberla turned out not to be which got me the usual Wat did ou expect from a liberal?  meaning you might as well give up, he gave up long ago.  I an' t give up though.  I have to think it's possible tht if you really ahve some facts that cofrrect a liberal misinformation that the liberal has to be honest enough to recognize3 that fact and change course at least on that one issue.  I still think that.  But ome form of denial seems to reign for the moment at least.  Nevertheless I'm not giving up.  

All I have are a few incidents in which the facts are provable.  There are endless incidents that seem obviously enough to me to be falsely represented by the liberal media but I don't hav the incontgrovertible facts in those cases.  Ao all I have are a few incidents, rather old by now which my liberal friend treated as some kind of argument against them, but the facts are incontrovertible so I continue to depend on them.  I'm sure I've brought this up here before but things nieed to be represated from time to time.

First one is the Charlottesville speech in which Trump was mischaracterized as saying newNazies are good people.  What he said was that there are good bpoeople on both sides of this issue of whether historical monuments should be removed or left, and since there were neoNazis protested at the scene along with others he was taken to be tsaing that neoNazis are good peop,e.  And tht is still believed by a great many on the lieft.  I asked my liberal friend if that's what she sthought he said and she said yes.  So I said that she should listen to his speech through to the end as toward the end he clearly says that he is not talking about the neoNazis that they should be condemned.  He says that very specifically, but that was not included in the news reports at the time or ever.  That is how the leftist medial create fake news to make Trump look bad, or conservatives in general and so on.  Just leave out whatever would contradict the smear they want to make people believe about Trump.  Trump has also repudicated the neo Nazis since thern but that never gets int othe main sources of news that liberals follow eight.  You have to go out of your way to find such things.  Which is why it is importnat to bring these things up and point them toward the sources that would correct their false impression.

I would think it would be a slam dunk, that an honest liberal would simply see the truth and have to admit it.  And learn from it that if this incident was falsfied to make Trump look bad a lot of other things they believe about Trump are very likely the result of the same sort of smear campaign.  I would think that would be a slam dunk.  Apparently it isn't and I really don't get why not.  

The other incident I like to use is the account of Trump's supposedly mocking a disabled reporters disability with a hand flopping gesture he makes which I guess is meant to imitate a befuddled garbled disorderly behavior or some sort.  Such as perhaps a disabled person might do or something like that.  nd that is exactly the pimpression the leftist media wanted to create and cuccceded in creating in the mind so f a great number of liberals in this country.  And my liberal friend is no exception as she answered my question whether she believes that is what Trump did by saying yes she did belive it.  So Isaid that there are videos available that show him making that exact same getsture in repsonse to a number fof other people who are not disabled, making it clear that he was mocking their opinion, not their person.  Again that ought to be a slam dunk revelation of how the news sources create false impressions to smear Trump, but again somehow I gather it was brushed off.  Beyond my comprehension.

Then I also refer to the George Floyd case, asking if the person believes Floyd was killed by racist cops.  A huge number of people in this country still think that was the case.  My friend said no in this case so I asked if she belie verd it was police brutality instead and she said yes to that but she acknolwedged that it was donge according to police directives in their training manusl so that the problem was not the cops but the plice policy itself.  The problem is hat we didn't follow up on this.  If it was police policy that was correctly followed then drerk chauvin did not murder Geolrge Floyd.  It would have to have been a rogue misbehavior on his part to justify that conclusion.   Also my firend did not know about the incident in which a white man, Tony Timpa, was ,killed by aexactly the same police maneuver in another part of the  country around the same time.  That should definitely ively show that it was rnor tracism and even if she had rejected that conclusion she should acknowledge that a misimpression was given that justified weeks of rioting and destruction in cities.  But liberals don't let themselves object to such things no matter what I guess.  

So much for attempts to get liberals to see facts.  

I was told that Trump acted like a child in storming out of the coutnrtrrom in the case of defamation brought against him for his rejection of some woman named Carroll's claim that he assaulted her sexually years ago.  Childish of him.  Well, liberals think all these court cases are legitimate legal actions.  We on the right know they are rigged and examples of the corruption of our justice system for political reasons on the part of the Left.  Trump knows he's being unujustly treated as usual so storming out of the courtreem seems like an undrstandable reaction to me, but ieven if you'd rather see more dignity and decorum from the Guy from QAueens as he is sometimes referrred to, the act remaisns that this is dfefinitedly a case of miscarriage of justice, not at all a case of a legal proceeding which should be treated with respect.    The very fact that one woman's testimony is allowed to be used against a person is a miscarriage of justice.  The bible requires two or three witnesses in order to exstablish a person's guilt.  You commit an injustice when you take one person's word for it against anytother, and thoughat ought to be obvious to anyone.   Trump is bwing dragged through unjust attacks on him for political reasons. Well, it's produced the very positive outcome that Trump supporters know he is being unjustily treated and are rising up to make him the most strongly supported candidate for President in history.    good sign that there is something of American spirit left in this country.

There is also that ridiculous accusation of him as supposedly inciting insurrection on January sixth.  Does nobody ever listen to that speech he made?  Guess not.  The evil on the side of the left is so think you'd think even those ON the left might begin gto notice it.  Not yet I guess.

Allegations that women have been offered money to testify to sexual assault in ortder to entrap a man , say Donald Trumkp in particular, float around.  I/ve been trying to find some evidence of a particular allegation that I've been told about but I can't find it.  Working on it.  

But when all you have is one accuser, one witness, the legal case can't be just no matter what.  

I listened a bit to some discussion by leftists on MSNBC about the Trump case he walked out on yesterday Which by the way was perfectly within his right to do since he was there by choice just to hear the proceedings and not required to be there.    Anyway these liberals go on and on about how nobody is above the law but Trump acts as if he thinks he is.  I don't know how they think a person would act who knew he was being reailroaded and that the legal proceedings were all a politial game to hurt him.  In such a case maybe he would act in a way intended to register a protest in the the hminds of his audience?  Maybe that could be construed by enemies to be putting himself above the law when what it really is is a protest that the law is in this case corrupted and broken.   Again some call him a Guy from Queens.  Some of his personality quirks perhaps result from that background and are not to be interpreted as the left loves to interpret them.  A lovely young woman called Georgia H as I recall who did a podcast about her discovery that she was being lied to by liberals was on you tube a few years ago, and may still be for all I know, called him a guy from queens and seem ed to think that accounts for a lot of what people hold against him.

This is all very sickening stuff.  For one thing everything against trump is somebody's word against him, nothing else.  In the case of Biden we have a video of himtalking about bribing Ukrainian officials to protect his son from a prosecutor looking into Hunter biden's financial midsdeeds, and we have evidence from a lptop belonging to Hunter biden full of incriminating evidence .  but what is used as evidence against Trump has to be made to look like something it isn't.  A speech about peaceful protest has to be called a n incitement to insurrection and if it's called that over and over again they figure it will become a reality although all he ever did was describe people protesting peacefully.  In the ases above information crucial to understanding what he said and did is simply left out by the media.  But the lefties continue to go on and on with their hatred of the man, using words to smear him in a million ways.  Lies lies andmore lies.  And the average liberal seems to accept it as simple truthy.

They can sound plausible in their accusations and allegations against Trump.  But then I remember how flimsy their foundation for any of it really is.  We know that Hilary Clinton bought the Russian dossier to smear Trump during his first election campaign.  How manyu of average liberals know that?  The Mullier Report found nothing because there was nothing to find.  The two impeachmenets were a clear sham based on making ordinary actions into criminal actions, which is a lot of what the left is doing against trump.  With all that going on any actual charge he might be guilty of is impossible to ascertain.    Despite the endless accusations and allegations against him in the end it looks to me like absolutely nothing sticks, he's guilty of none of it.  None.  Yet they have piled up a mountain of crime

Amazing how willing these liberal pundits are to just blather on about Trump and conservaitives in general as if they could analyze everybody's personality off the top of their own partisian political heads.  .    

           How do they get away with that 

Loneliness on a new level

 There are manty distresing things going on these days, and mnnot only in the world but in my own personal life, which makes it hard to arrive at conclusions and solutions about anything.  For me for sure but I think for many of us.  I continu to be distressed by the political situation in particular, meaning the fact that lfeft and right can't talk to each other specifically.

we hear different sets of facts.  Althoughn I can demonstrate in a few dcases that the media have been putting out false facts and that liberals still believe their fversion of those situations, I'm not up on the whole range of issues so I can't make the case for more than a few.  Not to mention the fact that liberals don't want to discuss uany of this anyway.  Even if I propose a discussion I get a no from them.  And other consrvatives say thesame thing.  

But surely there must be a way.  RTo To the expent that it is a matter ofof errors of fact on one side or the other such things ought to be resolvable.  If emotions run high it should be possible for us to learn to tone them donewn for the samekke of discussion.  I don't think of the average liberal as having any nefarious motives, I just think of them as believing false information.  To some extent I think they have the same view of us on the right, but I'm not entirely sure of that since what they think we are accepting is some pretty horrible stuff like white supremacy and fascism and that sort of thing, which are pretty personal things.  But that is something that it would be good to try and sort out.  How long can we go on with half the country believe ing one set of supposed facts and the anot other side a completely different set?

I can prove a few things about how the media have distorted the facts about Trump and about George Floyed and I think also about Black liives matter and that sort of thing.  It's etedious going even with those few things but I do think it worth it to try to get sdiscussions boing on any issue at all.  Even if it takes days or weeks to get through a particular minor issue to a point wehere we have a better understanding of the actual facts on both sides that should be worth it.  I don't know how to begin to try to bring this about because as I said I encounter a complete lack of openness to such discussions from my libedral friends and acquaintancxes.

An even tone, a willingness just to listen and not talk until the right moment if that ever arrives, brief comments to begin with and so on.  Why isn't this a possible mode of discussion for us these days?  I hear the conservative side of thing from many talk show hosts and they are pretty good at including lengthy sound bites of the opposition but I'm always frustrated that the conversation remains one sidesd and that we can't get liberals in on it with us.   What good does it do for a bunch of us to think even the truth about a situation if the truth stays only in our own group?  And yes it is possible that it's not always the truth and we do tneed the input of the other dside.  I very psessimistic about that of course but it has to be allowed as a possibility.  

I understand that there is a strong hatred of Trump by some people, not only on the left but even the right to some extent, and I have to admit to not really understanding it.  It's not that I think Trump is perfection by any means but he offers us a true vision that most conservatives do agree with, but the liberals I know think he's just a power mad fascistic feolonious rapist or some such and while that just takes my breath away with its bizarre falseness I have to acknowledge tghat it's there and bpeople believe it and I don't know what to do about it.  and just going on with the conservative mesasge as the conservative talk shows do isn't going to deal with any of that.  And that is what needs to be dealt with above all.

I'm suffering a lot these days from a sense of isolation and loneliness that seems to be to exceed the normal situation of my life.  There is some personal cause for this but a lot of it is the political situation, the sense of this encoroaching totalitarianism that can't be stopp[ed and largely because we can't talk to the other side about it.  They think we are the totalitarians.  YHikes.  What do you do with that level of falseness?  How do we deal with that?  it is necessary to keep on with the soconcservaitve point of viesw, that can't be dropped, but at the same timed if it isn't etting across to the other side we're just talking in an cho chamber.  Something has to be done.

My typing in this is terrible.  

My eyes are getting wrose.

Anyway as I started to say I'm gefeeling a level of what, disconnection, alienation, loneliness, that seems new to me and is at times even frightening.  I pray and the Lord is there. His peace comes over me whan I speak to Him but still this world is getting to me.   And I keep searching my head for solutions.  And praying about it when I think about it which isn't often enough.  he is always the source of all the answers, how ridiculous of any of us to forget that but I do.

I'm suffering from this sense of isolation and loneliness in a new way it seems to me, and I'm sure I'm not alone, in fact I know I'm not, I have aliberal freind sho admits to having similar feelings.   Someone I can't discuss politics with although recently we might have made alittle headway there, I'm not sure.   But we are both sufering from this state of affairs.  Since the COVID sthing started at least.  

I wish I could read emails but I can't.  I wish I had wsays of being in touch with more people but thanks to my failning eyesight I just can't.  I cdon'at have a solution to any of this for myslef at least.  But as long as I can still type even if I can't read it maybe I can keep up the subject, keep it on the table at least.