More on the accusation of "religion" as the source of murder in this world

This kind of information usually gets posted on my World Against God blog, but since EvC has been putting up this sort of tripe in relation to Christopher Hitchens' death and a couple other threads they have going, I'll keep it with my own Hitchens' posts for now.

This is a post by purpledawn supposedly proving that religion is responsible for more murders than nonreligious political movements. Unfortunately after posting this it seemed confusing to me and I took it down for a while. It still is confusing to me and I really don't know what I should think about it but I'm putting it back up anyway.

The source for her information is this blog. Interestingly she seems to be using the information as proof against Christianity, although the blog is arguing the opposite, as I also do below.

Deaths caused by the Religious

1562-1598 – French Wars of Religion – France – 4 million
1095-1291 – Crusades to the Holy Land – Middle East, Spain, Africa – 1.5 million (This does include all sides of the conflict)
1184-c. 1860 – Various Christian Inquisitions – Europe – 17,500
184-205 – Yellow Scarves Rebellion (Taoists) – China – 7 million
1300s-1521 – Human Sacrifices (Aztecs) – Mexico – 1 million
1855-1877 – Panthay Rebellion (Muslims) – China – 12 million
1971 – Bangladesh Atrocities (Islamists) – East Pakistan – 3 million
September 11, 2007 – Terrorist attacks (Muslim Jihadists) – USA – 5,000

Deaths caused by the Non-Religious

1932-1933 – Holodomor (communist atheists) – Ukraine – 10 million
1941-1945 – Nazi Genocides (statist atheists) – Germany – 11 million
1959-1962 – Great Leap Forward famine (communist atheists) – China – 43 million
1975-1979 – Khmer Rouge Repression (communist atheists) – Cambodia – 3 million

Christianity and Religion Have Caused More Deaths Than Anything Else in History

I'm not sure what point Purpledawn is trying to make or if she's even noticed that the blogger concluded that deaths caused by "religious" are far fewer than deaths caused by "nonreligious:"

The deaths caused by non-Christians – approximately 90 MILLION! And this is actually a conservative number.

In other words, even if you could attribute deaths to Christians, which we established at the beginning of this piece is not really the case, they are only responsible for 1/15 the deaths as non-Christians.

It appears that the blogger is comparing Christians and nonChristians, but Purpledawn is comparing religious and nonreligious causes of death. The blogger comes up with 6 million deaths caused by "Christians" and 90 million by nonChristians from that same list, but it's not at all clear whether Purpledawn has even recognized this point.

In reality, there isn't even ONE example of a Christian cause of any of the murders listed. And presumably they ARE murders, not merely "deaths."

Anything French, and the Crusades and the Inquisition, were not Christian but Catholic and their victims were PREDOMINANTLY genuine Christians, though atheists these days delight in not knowing anything about this history. May I suggest starting with Foxe's Book of Martyrs? Not that ANYTHING recommended by a Christian would get a fair hearing from them of course, but hey, we try. Other "religious" murders on that list are not even remotely Christian.

I've given up trying to grasp what Purpledawn thought those statistics represent, but atheists and unbelievers such as Hitchens probably wouldn't accept them. However, they usually take most of their "evidence" from the Bible itself rather than such worldly events, and when they accuse the Bible and God Himself they are like those who protest against the Death Penalty, refusing to distinguish between justice and murder. Some day God's justice will be only too apparent to them, and undeniably justified as well, shutting their blasphemous mouths, but for now they like to accuse God of the very murders He condemns and the standard for which they could have learned nowhere else but from Biblical Christianity. Just as Pastor Wilson kept saying about Christopher Hitchens -- He learned his morality from the Bible that he wrongly aims against God and Christianity. Of course he did. The world had no such morality before Christ, but trust the fallen intellect to twist it against Christ Himself.

Purpledawn may be reading the list wrong, hard to know, but apparently the blogger also reads it wrong since he accepts that Catholics are Christians.

If Hitchens is right, we can attribute at least Nazism to religion instead of "nonreligion", as deriving from the Roman Catholic Right as he put it. So let's attribute lots of murders to "religion." That's fair. An argument could be made that all the above in a sense ARE "religions" -- but they certainly are NOT Christianity. They are exactly what the Bible identifies as religion in this world since Eden -- the inventions of Satan and his demons. And since Hitchens startled me into recognizing how much of "secular" politics also has a religious element, deriving from Roman Catholic paganism or the deification of political leaders as done in ancient Rome, which for all intents and purposes is now embodied in the Vatican, yes, certainly Nazism, but even Communism, such as Stalinism, may be said to be "religious."

Of course the necessary distinction between religion and Biblical Christianity is still going to escape the atheistic mindset because they don't want to know anything about it and would just LOVE to sic the lions on us. Fine. Bring them on. Come soon, Lord Jesus.

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Sigh. And now I'm constrained to notice that someone posted an enormously long bunch of quotations earlier in that thread supposedly demonstrating that Hitler was really a Christian. I'm not up to reading through it right now but I suppose I may have to eventually. Nothing could be more obvious than that Hitler was no Christian. The churches under Hitler were obligated to swear fealty to him and to the Nazi Party, and any that refused and preached the true gospel were suspected of treason. Hitler was a member of the Catholic Church which isn't Christian anyway, and curried the Vatican's favor when it suited him. He also DID engage in occultic and satanic practices (not that there's anything really contradictory between that and Catholicism, but there certainly is between those practices and Biblical Christianity). Of course he didn't want to lose the loyalty of Christians in the country and much that sounds Christian was just his politicking to keep the churches in line. Unfortunately there were Christian churches that did embrace Nazism and didn't see through it until the very end. HOWEVER, eventually perhaps I'll read that supposed proof of Hitler's "Christianity." He sure made a good Antichrist, fooled a lot of people and is still fooling them. The Big One yet to come will no doubt do an even better job of it.

Christopher Hitchens almost put his finger on the Antichrist

Saw a video clip of Hitchens objecting strenuously to the accusation that evolution influenced more murders in this world than religion ever did, claiming that for instance neither Hitler nor Stalin nor Mussolini nor Croatia were inspired by evolution but by Catholicism and by centuries of deification of human leaders. He said that fascism is really an expression of the Roman Catholic Right!

That really grabbed my attention. It's a very insightful observation, though he of course makes the common mistake of equating Catholicism with Christianity, and misses the point that evolution HAS inspired callousness toward human beings, Margaret Sanger and abortion being one obvious example, and Sanger's racist eugenics DID influence Hitler. Also the Communist regimes have been decidedly atheistic and extravagantly murderous.

HOWEVER, his point is worth thinking about. Russia had the Czars, which is the Russian term for "Caesar" and Germany had the Kaisers, which is the German term for "Caesar," both regimes having admired the Roman Empire with its Caesars and consciously seeking to reestablish that Empire, as in "the Third Reich" or third Empire, and as in "The Holy Roman Empire." Of course a final revived Roman Empire is exactly what a certain school of Biblical prophecy is expecting, based predominantly on the Book of Daniel, so it's interesting to realize that exactly such a revival has been attempted in the past. The Holy Roman Empire started in 962 and extended up to the 1800s, then there was a "second Reich" or empire under Wilhelm 1, and then it was Hitler who headed the "Third Reich." All these were conscious revivals of the Roman Empire! And all centered in Germany, though the same mentality also existed in Russia as well.

The Caesars are a type of the Antichrist, political leaders who came to regard themselves as gods, and any attempt to revive the Roman Empire would imply the same deification of the leader, which was clearly seen in Hitler though he didn't call himself Kaiser. Also, of course, the Roman Empire in its final form was Catholic and the Catholic pontiff and hierarchy continue to imitate the original pagan Roman leadership which goes back through the "mystery religions" to the pagan religion of Babylonia. We don't yet have the Fourth Reich or Empire but the mere existence of three historical forerunners suggests it's certainly going to come about, and probably quite soon. Daniel prophesied four great empires, the fourth to be an immensely powerful and evil "beast." {Later: I need to clarify that Daniel was talking about the series of empires that started in his own time, the Babylonian, the Medo-Persian, Greece under Alexander, and then the Roman Empire, not the wannabe-be Roman Empires I've noted here -- but they are no doubt dress rehearsals for that final Fourth Empire of Daniel anyway, which will be a revival of the Roman Empire but more powerful than any empire ever yet seen -- more directly satan/demon-empowered for instance}. What is a deified "Caesar" but an Antichrist! Lots of 'em even, and yet a final doozy to come.

As usual, an outsider such as Hitchens has fallen for the lie that Catholicism has anything whatever to do with Christianity, and therefore falsely accuses Christianity of the murders committed by Catholicism, but he does nevertheless seem to have made an important observation about fascism we should take notice of.

Hitchens also attacked Mother Teresa, mostly not for the right reasons but in my opinion anyone who puts down Mother Teresa can't be all bad. Her main offense to my knowledge was that she refused to give the gospel to the dying people she cared for, saying their own religion was good enough, thus consigning them to Hell without a chance of changing their minds. Hitchens would no doubt have put that on the plus side for her, of course. {Later: I watched a You Tube series Hitchens himself made on Mother Teresa in which he finds her guilty of neglect of those she cared for, specifically of failing to give medical help to some who would not have died if they'd had such help, treating them the same as those who would have died anyway. Also her staff didn't bother to sterilize needles they intended to reuse and the attitude was the people are dying so what's the difference? Also, her staff was not allowed to go for any kind of medical training that would have aided them in helping their patients, based on some wacko notion about trusting God. So he did have some valid objections to her work. However, one has to give some credit to her for doing anything at all for people nobody else was doing anything for, and for her stand against abortion.}

My understanding of all this is very rough, but I've been wanting to get back to the various topics connected with Roman Catholicism, the Antichrist, the demonic manifestations of "Mary" and the like, and these rough remarks should get me moving in that direction.

Conspiratorial cabal or not, America is in trouble

Here's a discussion of what the blogger calls a conspiracy theory, but it's not what I mean when I use the term. He calls it The Great Conspiracy but he's simply spelling out some anti-constitutional provisions that are now in place that could threaten American freedoms, and in fact threaten us all bodily, in the near future.

What I mean by conspiracy thinking is wild imaginations that suppose there is an all-powerful human cabal behind all such goings-on, without being able to muster facts in any convincing way to prove it.*

To my mind a governing body that thinks Marxism is a good idea is already as much of a danger to the world as any plotted conspiracy by high-level hidden movers and shakers, and our current administration is Marxist and Fascist both. Who needs the Illuminati?

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*This is the point -- I'm hardly incapable of believing in conspiracies but the fact is that the evidence offered is really NOT convincing. They assume too much, they sling around unsupported accusations. The worst write complete word salad in which it's obvious they think they've been giving evidence but it just isn't there. Springmeier doesn't prove anything, he simply asserts it. Schnoebelen writes novelistically which makes it sound like fiction to begin with and detracts from any truth there may be in his reports. I don't know what to make of all this. We've got conspiracies galore these days, explaining the economic disaster, anticipating a murderous outbreak of flu, well, really the vaccinations against the flu, about well-known American public figures plotting against the well-being and even the lives of Americans, about UFOs and whatnot. There's actually better evidence that there is a government conspiracy to hide knowledge of UFOs from the public (they think they're ETs of course; I know they're demons) than there is for the rest of it. It's not in principle beyond the pale, but there is simply no convincing evidence.

How Obama = Hitler

Here's a discussion of what makes Obama's administration like Hitler's. (I can't seem to select out the particular post. It's the one for August 29th).

Obama, Antichrist, Marxism, Fascism, Capitalism

There is an article at this site headlined Is Obama the Antichrist? Unfortunately you have to subscribe to read that article, but he outlines some of Obama's qualifications while not giving his own conclusion. There are other articles you can read without subscribing that are also interesting.

Also, I got this from a friend this morning about why a Christian can't vote for Obama. The guy is already being harassed and threatened.

A friend posted on her blog that on Larry King a conservative called the Left Marxist and King shot back, if the Left is Marxist then is the Right Fascist?

That's a common line the Left likes to shoot at the Right, but it's false.

No, Fascism is government tyranny over the people. Marxism is ALSO Fascism. The thuggery being shown by some of Obama's supporters is fascist in spirit. If Obama were ordering it, that would make it Fascism on the level of Hitler.

If Obama is elected, Antichrist or not, the nation will soon be a police state.

Although the government's buying up debts is socialism, as some are complaining, it is also fascism. The first link above to Cutting Edge is where this article comes from, but I got it from one of Scott Johnson's PDF files:

Capitalism is that type of economy in which private individuals own the Means of Production, i.e., the factories and the mines. The companies founded by these private individuals then compete openly with one another in the Marketplace. No one tells the owners what to produce, or how much to produce, or how much to charge. Competition is the primary determinant of prices, and careful attention to the needs and wants of the people within this type of economy determines how much is produced. Capitalism may have its faults, but it has produced the highest standard of living in history for her citizens.

The key words underpinning Capitalism are: Free Market, Minimal Government Regulation, Business Ownership Solely By Private Interests.

Fascism is the economic system of Nazi Germany, National Socialist Italy, and Imperial Japan. Today, only Japan retains this system. In Fascism, private individuals retain control over the Means of Production, thereby ensuring that the key element which makes Capitalism work so well is kept in place.

However, the Government intervenes to control how much is produced of any item, how many competitors can be making the same item, and how much they can charge. Therefore, the potential for the most profit lies within the Fascist economy! The experiment with Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan proved that Fascism does work. We have seen that the proper coordination between Government and Capitalism does work.

The key words underpinning Fascism are: Severe Government Regulation, Government Control and Partial Ownership of Businesses Armed with this definition, you are now able to understand the importance of the events of this day.

Remember the key elements of Fascism as we examine these news articles: Government Control, Severe Regulation and Government Partial Ownership of Businesses.

The end result of this new global Fascist economy is the global economy foretold in Revelation 13:16-18!