eXOPANDED vERSION OF THE GEOLOGICAL aRGUMENT aGAINST EVOLUTION

 tHE GEOLOGICAL ARGUMENT I TRY TO MAKE AGAINST EVOLUTION FOCUSES COMJPLETELY ON TWHAT IS CALLED THE GEOLOGICAL cOLUMN, OR THE STACK OF LAYERS OF SEDUMENTARY ROCKS THAT IS FOUND JUST ABOUT ALL OVER THE EARTH.  wHEN YOU FIND AT LEAST PART OF THE STACK IN ONE PIECE IT LOOKS LIKE A LAYER CAKE OF SORTS, ONE LAYER OF ROCK ON TOP OF ANOTHER TO WHATEVER DEPTH IS INTACT AT THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION.  

fiN MOST PLACES THAT ARE VISIBLE TO THE NAKED EYE THE STRATA ARE BROKEN UP IN VARIOUJSUS WAYS, BROKEN AND TILTED INTO CHUNKS IN SOME CASES SUCH AS IN THE bRITISH iSLES WHERE THE WHOLE STACK FROM EARLIEST TIMES, AS THEY ARE RECKONED, TO RECENT TIMES, IS FOUND SCATTERED IN BLOCKS ACROSS THE WHOLE ISLAND.  iN SOME PLACES THE STACK IS TWISTED  INTO A SPIRAL SHAPE, AND SO ON.  iT IS RARE TO FIND A SECTION OF THE COLUMN THAT IS INTACT TO ANY APPRECIABLE DEPTH, LYING FLAT AND STRAIGHT AS ORIGINALLY LAID DOWN. 

aND THERE WAS A SCIENTIEST NAMED sTENO WHO FORUMULATED A LW THAT SAYS THEY WERE ORIGINALLY LAID DOWN HORIZONTAL AND FLAT AND STRAIGHT.  sTENO'S lAW OF HORIZONTALITY.  sO ALL THE SEGMENTS THAT ARE FOUND BROKENAND TILTED AND TWISTED HAPPENED AFTER THEY WERE LAID DOWN.

tHE ONLY PLACE ON EARTH, AS FAR AS i KNOW, WHERE ANY APPRECIABLE DEPTH OF THE ORIGKINALLYU OHORIZONTAL STACK IS STICILL INTACT AND VISIBLE TO THE NAKED EYE IS IN THE gRAND cANYON IN ARIZONTA.  tHE LAYERS ARE VISIBLE IN THE MAIN PART OF THE CANYON TO A DEPTH OF ABOUT A MILE FROM TOP TO BOTTOM, AND THEY REPRESENT THE TIME PERIODS FROM cAMBRIAN TO pERMIAN, THE LAYERS ABOVE THE pERMIAN HAVING BEEN WASHED AWAY OVER THE CANYON AREA, LEAVING THE SURFACE OF THAT pERMIAN LAYER AS THE PLATEAU INTO WHICH THE CANYOJN IS CUT, A LIMESTONE PLATEAU THT STRETCHES A FEW HUNDRED ILES TO THE NORTH INTO uTAH.  oN THE sOUTH THE EXPOSED LAYER IS SANDSTONE, AND IT IS KES TO  A FEW HUNDRED MOILES TO THE SOUTH OF THE CANYON ..NOWN AS THE cOCONINO pLATEAU.  iT TOOK STRETCHES FOR HUNDREDS OF MILS

sORRY, i GARBLED THAT LAST SENTENCE UP SOMEHOW AND UNFORTUNATELY CAN'T SEE WELL ENOUGH TO FIX IT.  

cREATIONISTS ARE DRAWN TO TEH gRAND cAYON BECAUSE IT SHOWS SO MUCH OF THE STRATA INTACT.   iT IS PROBABLY INTACT IN OTHER PLACES WHERE IT IS BURIED AND NOT OPEN TO OBSERVATION.  iN THE MIDWESTERN uNITED sTATES  THIS IS PROBABLY THE CASE AS CORE SAMPLES DRILLED INTO THE GROUND A VARIOUS PLACES COME UP WITH MILES OF STRATA ON DISPLAY, i THINK MILES, BUT CERTAINLY AT LEAST THE DEPTH OF THE gRAND c ANYONJ AND THE uTAH AREA TO THE NORTH COMBINED, ABOUT TWO MILES IN DEPTH TOGETHER.

iT IS WITHIN THESE SEDIMENTARY ROCK LAYERS THAT THE FOSSILS ARE FOUND WHICH CONVINCED SCIENTISTS THAT THEY ARE VEGIDENCE OF EVOLUTION BECAUSE THEY SEEM TO REPRESENT ANIMAL FORMS THAT PROGRESS FROM THE LOWEST ROCKS TO THE HIGHEST IN A PROGRESSIVE INCREASE IN COMPLEXITY, FROM THE SIMPLEST ON THE BOTTOM ON UP.  i'M NOT SO SURE OF THAT MYSELF AS THE INSECT FORMS IN WHAT IS CALLED T cAMBRIAN eXPLOSION, THE LOWEST ROCK FOUND TO HAVE FOSSILS, SEEM TO BE JUST AS COMPLEX AS ANY HIGHER ANIMAL.  BUT ANYWAY.

tO bE cONTINUED.

iN RECENT POSTS HERE i TOOK THE POSITION THTA THE STRATA THEMSELVES ARE PHYSICALLY  SO FLAT AND HOMOGENOUS, BEIG MOSTLY ALL MONE DSEIDIMENT , AND SO GEOGRAPHICALLY WIDESPREAD THAT THEY CAN'T POSSIBLY REPRESENT THE TIME PERIODS THEY HAVE BEEN MADE TO REPRESENT, THOSE PERIODS FROM THE cAMBRIAN THROUGHT HE sILURIAN, dEVONIAN, pERMIAN, jRURASSIC AND SO ON, THT ARE HELD TO DEFINE THE FOSSILS THEY CONTAIN.  sO THE jURASSIC IS HIGH IN THE GEOLOGICAL COLUMN, IS FOUND IN uiTAH AND NOT THE gRANDE cANYON FOR INSTANCE, AND IS WHERE DINOSAURS ARE TO BE FOUND.  tHE DINOSAURS ARE UNDERSTOOD TO HAVE LIVED IN THAT PERIOD LABELED jURASSIC AS WELL AS THE cRETACIOUS THAT FOLLOWS IT, AND THEN DIED OUT AS THE RESULT OF A CATASTROPHE WHICH IS EVIDENCED BY THE PRSENCE OF IRIDIUM, A METAL FOUND IN METEORS, AT THE TOP OF THE cRETACIOUS FOCK.  tHIS IS USED TO EXPLAIN THE ABSENSE OF DINOSAURS HIGHER IN THE COLUMN, REPRESENTEING A METEOR THT WIPED THEM ALL OUT AT THAT TIME.    tHESE ROCKS DEFINITELY REPRESENT TIME EPIERIODS ALTHOUGH i'VE BEEN TOLD i'M GBEING TOO LITERAL OR SOMETHIHG WHEN i MAKE THIS CLAIM.  I DON'T SEE HOW.  tHE TIME PERIOD SPANS THE ROCK IN EVERY CASE, AND IS DATED TO HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF YEARS PER PERIOD IN A TYPICAL TIME PERIOD.  i DON'T KNOW ALL THE DIFFERENT TIME SPANS FOR THE DIFFERENT PERIODS.  bUT THEY CERTAINLY ARE CONTINUOUS WITH THE ROCKS.

lOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT.  i STARTED OUT JUST WANTING TO REVISIT THE IDEA FROM THE PREVIOUS POSTS THAT THE PHYSICAL FACTS OF THE STRATA COULDN'T POSSIBLY REPRESENT TIME PERIODS BECAUSE THEY ARE NOTHIJNG BUT SLABS OF ROCK THAT SPAN THOUSANDS OF SQUARE MILES IN MANY CASES, SOMETIMES ALL ONE SEDIMENT TO TA GREAT DEPTH OF HUNDREDS OF FEET OR EVEN THOUSANDS, AND OBVIOUSLY IF THAT IS WHAT EXISTED SDURING THE TIME PERIOD NOTHING WHATEVER COULD HAVE LIVED THEN.  aND IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO FIGURE OUT HOW IT MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED FOR ONLY A SHORT PART OF THE TIME PERIOD.  aLL THE CREATURES WOULD DIE AT THAT POINT ANYWAY AND THERE WOULD BE NOTHIJG ALIVE TO AEVOLVE TO THE NEXT STAGE.   tHESE SLABS OF ROCK EXTEND FROM THE GRAND cANYON AREA ACROSS THE mIDWESTERN usa AND SOME EVEN ACROSS THE aTLANTIC INTO THE uk AND eUROPE.  nOTHIG COULD HAVE LIVED SDURE ING SUCH A "TIME PERIOD."  

bUT i'M ARGUING SOMETHING DIFFERENT HERE.  i WANT TO POINT OUT THAT NOTHING EVER HAPPENED during THOSE TIME PERIODS THAT IS EVIDENCED IN THE ROCKS THEMSELVES.  wE KNOW THE SURFACE OF THE EARTH TO BE ANYTHING BUT STRAIGHT AND FLAT AND ALL OF ONE SEDIMENTARY ROCK, SO PRESUMABLY WOULD THE SURVRFACE TDURING ANY OTHER TIME PERIOD HAVE BEEN.  nO?    wOULD'T YOU EXPECT TO FIND TREE ROOTS AND RIVER BEDS AND ROCKS OF MANY SIZES  AT LEAST IN WHAT IS REALLY A TIME PERIOD?  bUT THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF ANY SUCH THING.  tHE ROCKS ARE ALL STRAIGHT AND FLAT AND HOMOGENEOUSLY OF ONE SEDIMENT IN MOST CASES.   aLL THE ACTIVITY TO BE SEEN ON THIS REPUTADLY VERY ACTIVE PLANET IS TO BE SEEN AFTER ALL THE STRATA WERE IN PLACE, AND NONE OF IT DURING THEIR LAYING DOWN.

yOU MAY FIND PARTIAL BLOCKS OF STRATA HERE AND THERE RATHER THAN THE WHOLE COLUN SO SOME THINGK THAT MEANS THERE WERE TIMES WHEN THE LAYING DOWN WAS INTERRUPTED AND ACTIVITY OCCURRED THEN.  bUT ALTHOUGH THAT MIGHT BE AT LEAST A PLAUSIBILITY, SINCE ALL THE STRATA REPRESENT EACH THE SAME TIME PERIOD, MEANING THOSE THAT RESUME THE BUILGIND OF THE COLUMN AFTER THE INTERRUPTION JUST GON ON IN THE SAME PATTERN AS THOSE WFOUND IN THE PLACES WHERE THE STRATA ARE COMPLETE, THE MOST REASONABLE IDEA IS THAT THE WHOLE COLUMN WAS LAID DOWN EVERYWHERE IN THE SAME TIME PERIOD, WHATEVER TIME THAT TOOK, CERTAINLY NOT MILLIONS OF YEARS, AND THEN VARIOUS FORCES ACTED ON IT TO BREAK IT UP AND TWIST IT AND WASH MUCH OF IT AWAY AND SO ONJ.

i LIKE TO DEMONSTRATE THIS WITH A CROSS SECTION OF THE gRAND cANYON TO gREAND sTAIRCASE AREA FROM aRISZONA TO uTAL WHICH IS TO BE FOUND ON THE gRAND sTAIRCASE WEBSITE.  iT SHOWS THE gRAND cANYOHN ON THE FAR RIGHT AND THE gRAND sTAIRCASE ON THE LEFT AT THE TOP OF THE CHART, STEPPING DOWN FROM THE HIGHEST POINT AT cEDAR gROVE uTAH TO THE kAIBAB pLATEAU WHICH IS THE SURFACE INTO WHICH THE gREAND cANYON IS CUT.  

oN THIS CROSS SECTION ALL THE STRATA ARE DEPICTED AS ANINTACT BLOCK FROM THE cAMBRIAN THROUGH THE hOLOCENE ON THE LEFT.  tHEY ARE AN UNBROKEN COLUMN OF LAYERS OF ROCK STRETCHING FROM NORTH TO SOUTH OVER THE HUNDREDS OF MILES BETWEEN THE TWO FORMATIONS.   tHE WHOLE BLOCK IS AFFECTED, HOWEVER , AS A BLOCK, BY VARIOUS FORCES.  iT IS NOT PERFECTLY STAUGHT AND FLAT BUR  IS PUSHED UP AT THE LEFT END AND SLOPES DOWN TOWARD THE gRAND cANYON TO THE rIGHT, NTHEN RISING IN A MOUND OVER THE GRAND cANYOHN AREA.  THE WHOLE STACK FOLLOWS THE SLOPE AND RISE AND SO ON AS A UNIT.  

iN THE GRAND cANYON AREA, BENEEATH THE CANYON THERE IS A FORMATION CALLED THE gREAT uNCONFORMITY, WHICH IS MADE UP OF TILTED PIECES OF STRATA OVER WHICH THE MOUNDED STRATA ABOVE RISE.  tHE TILTED STRATA APPEAR TO PUSH UP THE COLUMN ABOVE AND i THINK THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED.  

tHE STANDARD EXPLANATION OF THIS IS THAT THE STRATA BENEATH, THE GREAT UNCONFORMITY, WAS ALREAYD THERE BEFORE THE STRATA ABOVE WERE LAID DOWN, BUT HAT WOULD REQUIRE THOSE UPPER LAYERS TO LAY DOWN OVER THE MOUND ONE BY ONE AND KEEP THEIR BASIC THICKNESS.  tHAT VIOLATES sTENO'S lAW OF HORIZONTALITY AT LEAST, AND JUST SEEMS COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE TO MY MIND.  iT HAS TO BHAVE BEEN THAT THE UNCONFORMITY WAS THE RESULT OF SOME KIND OF FORCE BENEAT THAT AREA THAT TILTED THE LOWER ROCKS AND PUSHED UP THE WHOLE COLUMN ABOVE THAT WAS ALREADY IN PLACE.  THAT IS THE ONLY THING THAT MAKES SENSE.  

tHERE IS LAVA IN THE CANYON ITSELF WHICH SUGGESTS THAT IT WAS A VOLCANO THAT CAUSED THE BREAKING AN TILTING OF THE LOWER ROCKS.  tHERE IS A VOLCANO SEEN IN THE DIAGREAM ON THE FAR LEFT TOO, OR AT LEAST THE MAGMA RISING FROM IT THROUGH THE STRATA TO THE VERY TOP OF THE COLUMN M TO cEDAR bREAKS WHERE IT SPILLS OUT FINALLY.  tHE VOLCANO IS BENEATH THE ENTIRE COLUMN SO OBVIOUSLY IT HAPPENED AFTER THE WHOLE COLUMN  WAS IN PLACE, THE MAGMA RISING UP THROUGH EVERY LAYER TO THE TOP.   

iT LOOKS TO ME LIKE WHAT HAPPENED TO THE gRAND cANYON WAS THAT THE FORCE BENEATH THE AREA WHICH RAISED UP THE COLUMN IN THAT MOUNDED SHAPE, WHICH WAS PROBABLY A VOLCANO SINCE THERE IS ALSO GRANITE AND SCHIST THROUGHOUT THAT AREA, BOTH VOLCANIC ROCKS, AND THAT IT TOO OCCURRED AFTER ALL THE STRATA WERE IN PLACE AND NOT BEFORE AS THE ESTABLISHMENT THEORY HAS IT.

tHEN THE DISTURBANCE WHICH IS CLEARLY SEEN AT THE TOP OF THE WHOLE FORMATION FROM NORTH TO SOUTH IS EASILY EXPLAINED AS THE RESULT OF THOSE FORCES DEEP IN TEH EARTH THAT OCCURRED AFTER THE STRATA WERE ALL IN PLACE.  tHAT IS, THE gRAND cANYON ITSELF WAS CUT, PROBABLY FIRST AS A CRACKING OF LAYERS WHTAT HAD BEEN STACKED HIGH ABOVE THE CURRENT RIM LEVEL, AND CRACKING THE CANYON OPEN DOWN TO THE GREAT UNCONFORMTIY ITSELF, THE BROKEN UP LAYERS ALL WASHING AWAY IN THE UPHEAVAL.  oN THE NORTH, gRAND cSTAIRCASE WOULD HAVE BEEN THE RESULT OF THE SHAKING UP AND FORCING UP OF THE LAND THAT BROKE OFF PIECES OF THE UPPER STRATA LEAVING THE STESPS OR CLIFFS THAT FORM THE STAIRCASE FORMATION.  i COULD EXPLAIN THIS BETTER WITH A POINTER AND THE CHART IN FRONT OF ME BUT OH WELL.

aNYWAY THE POINT IS THAT THE STRATA WERE LAID DOWN before ALL THESE DISTURBANCES OCCURRED, ORIGINATING BENEATH THE EAREA AS FVOLANOIC ERUPTIONS AND NO DOUBT CAUSING AN ENORMOUS EARTHQUAKE OR SEIRES OF EARTHQUAKES.  tHERE ARE SIGNS IN THE gRAND cANYON THAT ARE INTERPRETED AS i THINK THREE SEPARATE EARTHQUAKES.  i WOULD GUESS THEY ARE ALL PART OF THIS ONE GREAT EVENT THAT OCCURRED AFTER ALL THE STRATA WERE IN PLACE, THOUGH IN STAGES OR ONE AFTER THE OTHER.

aLL THIS ADDS UP TO EVIDENCE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A RELATIVELY SHORT TIME FRAME, NOT THE MILLIONS OF YEARS PER LAYER OF ROCK THAT IS USUALLY ASCRIVED TO THE FORMATION.

sTRATA FIRST, DISTURBANCE FOLLOWING.  tHAT FITS ALL THE PLACES WEHRE PARTIAL BLOCKS OF THE STRATA OCCUR TO, WHERE THEY WERE BROKEN OFF AND TWISTED AND TILTED AND SO ON.  tHE STRATA THEMSELES WITHIN THE BLOSK ARE INTACT, TBUT THEN SOMETHING BROKE AND TISTED THEM AS A UNTT.  THE WHOLE STACK WASN'T INVOLVED IN MOST PLACES BECAUSE TI WAS BROKEN ITO THESE SMALLER CHUCKSNKS BUT EACH CHUNK SHOWS INTANCT STRATA AS A UNIT BROKEN OFF AS A UNIT, TWISTED AS A UNIT, TILTED AS A UNIT AND SO ON.  sTRATA FIRST, DISTURBANCE FOLLOWING.

tHIS PATTERN IN ITSELF SUGGESTS SOMETHING OTHER THAN THE IDEA THAT THESE LAYERS OF ROCK REPRESENT TIME PERIODS.  wHY WOULD  SAY THREE OR FOUR TIME PERIODS ACCUMULATE THEIR REPSECTIVE SEDIMETARY REPRESENTATIONS AS AN UNDISTURBED UNIT, AS FLAT STRAUGHT LAYERS AND THEN AND ONLY THEN UNDERTGO THESE DISTURBANCES, THE VOLCANIC ERUPTIONS ADN EARHTUAKES .    sTRANGE HISTORY FOR THE EARTH TO HAVE HAD.  tHE TIME PERIODS AS ROCKS ALONE MAKES AFOR A STRANGE HISTORY FOR THE EARTH.  wHY SHOULD THE EARTH BE DIVIDED INTO TIME PERIODS AT ALL, LET ALONE TIME PERIODS MAKRED OFF BY SPECIFIC SEDIMENTARY SLABS OF ROCK?  \\

sCIENCE  THINKS THE gREAT uNCONFORMTIY AT THE BASE OF THE gRAND cANYON WAS ALREADY THERE BEFORE THE LAYERS ABOVE WERE LAID DOWN, BUT i FORGET WHY THEY THINK THAT.  THEY THINK IT IS THE ROOT OF WHAT WAS ONCE A MOUNTAIN RANGE THAT ERODED AWAY TO THE TILTDED ROCKS, ON TOP OF WHICH THE CURRENT gEOLOGICAL cOLUMN WAS THEN BUILT  TIME PERIOD BY TIME PERIOD IN THOSE HUNDRES OF MILLIONSOF YEARS INCREMENTS.

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eVIDENCE FROM THE CROSS SECTION THAT THE DISTURBANCE OCCURRED AFTER THE STRATA WERE IN PLACE ARE THE MOUND OVER WHICH THE STRATA WOULD HAVE HAD TO TRAVEL IF IT WAS THERE GBEFORE;  THE VOLCANO TO THE FAR LEFT WHOSE MAGMA RISES UP THROUGH THE ENTIRE COLUMN TO THE TOP CLEARLY OCCURRED WHEN IT WAS ALL THERE FOR IT TO RISE UP THOGYUTH;  THE TILTED STRATA TO THE FAR FAR UPPER LEFT OF THE CHART WHICH MUST HAVE HAPPENED WHEN A GRET JOLT OF SOME SORT SPLIT THE COLUMN VERTICALLY AT THE POINT, CAUSING THE STRATA ON THE LEFT TO DROP AND TILT UP AGAINST THE FAULT LINE;  MORE  AS i RECALL BUT i CAN'T REMEMBER AT THE MOMENT. WHAT

oN THE CURRENT WAY OF THINKING, HOW CAN THEY EXPLAIN WHY ONE SEDUEMTN WOULD GIVE WAY TO ANOTHER IN SUCH AN ABRUPT FASHION AS IS EVIDENCET IN PICTURES.  uP CLOSE IN THE CANYON YOU CAN SEE THAT ONE SEDUIMENTARY ROCK, SAY A LIMESTONE, SITS ABSOLUTELY FLAT ON TOP OF A SANDSTONE, SAY, WITH A KNIFE-EDGE CONTACT BETWEEN THEM.  hOW CAN THI SPOSSIBLY BE EXPLAINED ON THE ASSUMPTIONSO FHTE CURRENT THEORY?  wHY WOULD ONE TIME PERIOD BE LIMESTONE AND THE NEXT BE SANDSTONE AND SO ON, LET ALOEN THIS EXACT SHART P LINE WHERE THE ONE SUCCEEDS THE OTHER?

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nOT BEING ABLE TO SEE WHAT YOU ARE DOING SURE PUTS A CRAMP IN A PERSON'S WRITING STYLE.  oR IS IT CRIMP.  wHATEVER.  

ssTANDARD gEOLOGY SAYS A MUNTAIN RANGE ONCE EXISTED IN THE AREA OF THIS CROSS SECTIN i'M TALKING ABOUT, IT ROSE UP, PERSISTED A WHILE, AND ERODED DOWN TO NOTHING, LEAVING THAT TILTED ROCK JUST BELOW WHERE THE CANYON FORMED LATER.  tHEN THE LAYERS STARTD GETTING LAID ODOWN, HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF YEARS AT A TIME.  oNE KIND OF SEDIMENT FOR ONE FOLLOWED ABSRUPTLY BY ANOTHER KIND OF SEDIMENT FOR ANOTHER HUDNREDS OF MILLIONS OF YEARS.

THEN FOR SOME REASON ABFTER ALL THOSE HUNDREDS OFHUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF YEARS OF PLACID LAYING DOWN OF DIFFERENT SEDIMENTS, ALL THAT DISTURBANCE YOU SEE THAT THE TIME OF THE PICTURE, AND INDEED IN THE SLOPING OF THE WHOLE STACK ITSELF, THEN FOR SOME REASON ALL THAT HAPPENED.  AFTER THOSE HUNDREDS OF UNDREDS OF WMILLIONS OF YEARS.  

i'D LIKE TO WRITE OUT MY OWN VIEW OF IT BUT i GUESS i SHOULD WAIT UNTIL i'M LESS TIRED.

to e continued.

i KNEED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE lORD FOR ANYTHING i DO RIGHT HERE BUT SINCE IT'S SUCH A MESS i'M NOT SURE hE WOULD WANT CREDIT FOR ANY OF IT.  bUT i COULDN'T UNDERSTAND ANY OF THIS IF hE HADN'T BEEN GUIDING ME.  sO tHANK YOU lORD.

aYAAN hIRSI aLI fELLOW cHRISTIAN wARRIOR fOR THE tRUTH

sHE'S MY LATEST HERO.HEROINE.  sHE BECAME A cHRITIAN NOT TOO LONG AGO, A MATTER OF MONTHS i THINK, BUT SHE ALREADY UNDERSTANDS THAT cHRISTIANITY IS THE FOUNDATION OF ALL THE BENEFITS OF wESTERN cIVILIZATION AND aMERICAN CULTURE.  i JUST WANT TOaYAAN hIRSI aLI iN hER oWN wOREDS cONVERSATIONS WITH gLEN sCHREINER PUT HER NAME OUT HERE FOR NOW.  sHE'S WONDERFUL.

aN eXPANDED vERSION OF THE bIOLOGICAL aRGUMENT aGAINST eVOLUTION

sINCE i WAS ABLE TO FIND rICHARD dAWKINS' BOOK, tHE gOD dELUSION, ONLINE AS AN AUDIO BOOK, i THOUGHT i MJIGHT ALSO FIND HIS BOOK, tHE bLIND wATCHMAKER ONLINE TOO BUT IT ISN'T TO BE FOUDN, SO FAR ANYWAY.  iT WAS WRITTEN IN THE EIGHTIES WHIH MAKES I OLDER THAN THE gOD dELUSION BUT APPARENTLY NOBODY HAS SEEN FIT TO LOAD IT ONTO yOU tUBE.

hOWEVER, i DID FIND AN INTERVIEW OF HIM IN WHICH HE COVERS THE BASICS OF EVOLUTION STARTING WITH dARWIN'S DISCOVERIES, AND i THINK HIS REASONING IS PRETTY EASY TO GRASP ANYWAY SO MAYBE i DON'T NEED TO FIND THE BOOK.  iF i FIND IT OLATER THEN i'LL KNOW OF COURSE BURT FOR NOW ALL i HAVE IS THIS INTERVIEW.

iT IS INTERESTING THAT HE REGARDS THE PATTERN OF , OR DISTRIBUTION OF, DIFFERENT VARIATIONS ON ANIMALS , IN AREAS SURROUNDING A MAIN AREA, SUCH AS ISLANDS AROUND A MAINLAND IN THE SCASE OF THE gALAPAGOS ISLANDS WHERE dARWIN OBSERVED THE TURTLE THAT DIFFERERS SLIGHTLY FROM THAT ON THE MAINLAND,  ...FINDS THIS DISTRIBUTION PATTERN TO BE "CONSISTENT WITH EVOLUTION" OR "WHAT WE WOULD EXPECT IF EVOLUTION IS TRUE."   wHEREAS HE THINKS THAT IF THE STORY OF nOAH'S ARK WERE TRUE THEY SHOULD ALL BE FOUND IN THE AREA AROUND aRARAT WHERE THE ARK CAME TO REST.  

tHE PEOPLE SPREAK D OUT FROM THE ARK, AND OBVIOUSLY SO DID THE ANIMALS, WHY DO DEBUNKERS LIKE dAWKINS ALSWAY THINK THEIR SILLIEST MOST TIRVIAL NOTIONS MUST BE THE TTRUTH ANYWAY?    

aNYWAY i AM SURPRISED THAT HE NEVER SEEMS TO ADDRESS THE FACT OF WHAT IS CALLED "MICROEVOLUTION" AS THE EXPLANATION OF THE VARIATIONS WE SEE THAT ONLY SLIGHTLY DIFFER FROM EACH OTHER.  i IMMEDIATELY KNOW, AND WHY DOESN'T HE, THAT THESE VARIATIONS ARE 

wHAT IS CALLED MICROEVOLUTION IS THE VARIATIONS THAT ARE BUILT INTO THE GENOME OF EACH SPECIES BUT HE TALKS AS IF THETERE IS NO LIMIT TO THE VARIATIONS POSSIBLE.  bUT THERE IS.  hE KNOWS VERY WELL THAT THERE ARE TWO FORMS OF A SINGLE GENE, TWO ALLELES, ONE OF WHICH FROM EACH PARENT IS SELECTED BY SEXUAL RECOMBINATION AT THE CONCEPTION OF A \\OFFSPRING OF ANY SEXUALL REPRODUCING ORGANISM.  aN ALLELE FROM THE FATHER AND ONE FROM THE MOTHER FOR EVERY DGENE IN THE SPECIES GENOME IS WHAT MAKES FOR THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE OFFSPRING, WHICH OF COURSE LOOKS LIKE THE PARENTS BUT ALSO SLIGHTLY DIFFERS FROM THE PARENTS BECAUSE OF THE SELECTION PROCESS AT CONCEPRTION.

tHEIS IS THE MOST COMMON SELECTION PROCESS AS A MATTER OF FACT, NOT NATURAL SELECTION BUT SEXUAL RECOMBINATION AS THE GENETIC POTENTIALS IN THE SPECIES GENOME ARE SHFUFFLED AS IT WERE TO MAKE A NEW CREATURE SLIGHNTLY DIFFERYING FROM THE PARENTS.  tHAT IS HOW VARIATION TAKES PLACE.  nO OTHER SELECTION IS N EEDED, THE ALLELES ARE ALREADY PRESENT IN THE GENOME, THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO BE PRODUCED BY MUTATION OR SELECTIOED FOR THEIR FITNESS TO THE ENVIRONMENT OR SURPRIVAL POTENTION, AND COOF COURSE AT THIS STAGE COUDLN'T BE ANYWAY, THEY ARE SELECTED AT RANDOM, AS FAR AS WE KNOW,  AT CONCEPTION DURING THE PROCESS KNOWN AS SEXUAL RECOMBINATION.  i HAVE BLUE EYES BECAUSE i GOT THE BLUE ALLELE FROM MY FATHER'S BLUE EYES IN COMBINATION WITH THE BLUE ALLELE FOMR MY MOTHER'S HETEROZYGOUS BROWN EYES.  sHE HAD ABLUE AND A BROWN ALLELE, i GOT THE BLUE ONE, RANDOMLY.  mY SIBLINGS ALL GOT THE BROWN ONE AND HAVE BROWN EYES.  aCTUALLY THEY HAVE LIGHTER THAN BROWN EYES AND i DON'T KNOW HOW TO EXPLAIN THAT GENETICS, SOMETHING ABOUT MULTIPLE GENES GOVERNING ONE TRAIT i SUPPOSE, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE BLUE EYES.

iN THE CASE OF, SAY, THE gALAPAGOS TURTLES, SOME SMALL NUMBER FO TURTLES FROM THE MAINLAND PRESUMABLY MANAGED TO GET ONTO THE ISOLAND WHERE THEY REPRODUCED TOGETHER FOR SOME NUMBER OF GENERATIONS UNTIL THEY BEGAN TO LOOK SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT FROM TTHOSE ON THE MAINLAND.  sICNE THEY WERE A SMALL NUMBER TO BEIN WITH THEY WOULD HAVE HAND THEIR OWN SET OF "GENE FREQUENCIES" FOR ALL THE GENES IN THEIR GTURBLE GENOME, AND THIS DIFFERNET FREQUENCIY OF GENES WHEN MIXED OVER A NUMBER OF TGENERATIONS WOULD BGING OUT WHATEVER CHARACTERISTICS ARE PRETENST IN GREAT FREQUENCY IN THEIR GROUP THAN THOSE OF THE TURTLES ON THE MAINLAND, AND THOSE THAT HAD A SMALLER GENE FREQUENCY, FEWER OF A PARTICULAR ALLELLE FOR INSTANCE, WOULD EVENTUALLY DROP OUT OF THE GROUP APPARENTCE.  iT'S THE NEW GENE FREQUENCIES IN COMBINTATION THAT CAUSE THE NEW VARIATIONS TO EMERGE IN DAUGHTER POPULATIONS WHEN ISOLATED FROM THE PARENT POPULATIONJ.  iT'S ALL JUST A PRODUCET OF HOW GENETICS WORKS, NO NATURAL SELECTION NEEDED, NO FITNESS PRESSURE, NO SELECTION PROCESS OTHER THAN THE ISOLATION OF THIS SMALLER NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS ALONE.  that'S THE SELECTION PROCESS THAT BRINGS ABOUT THE NEW VARIATION IN THE NEW POPULATION.  

bUT EVOLUTIONISTS DON'T THINK ALONG THESE LINES FOR SOME REASON.  tHEY WILL TALK ABOUT GENE FREQUENCIES AS A DRIVING FACTOR IN EVOLUTION BUT THEN SEEM TO NEED TO ADD ;A SEECLECTION PBASED ON FITNESS TO THAT.  bUT NO SUCH FITNESS SELECTION IS NECESSARY, GENETICS ALONE WILL BRING OUT NEW CHARACTERISTICS WHEN A NEW SET OF GENE FREQUENCIES IS ISOLATED AND INBRED OVER SOME NUMBER OF GENERATIONS.

iT IS CERTAINLY TRUE THAT ADAPTATION TO THE ENVIRONMENT IS SEEN IN MANY CASES, CSUCH AS THE DIFFERENT FINCHES WITH DIFFERENT BEAK TYPES THAT EAT DIFFERENT KINDS OF FOOD S THAT THEIR BEAKS ARE BEST SUITED FOR, BUT THERE IS NO REAON OTO THINK THE ENVIRONMKENT IS DRIVING THE SELECTIN SINCE GENETICS ALONE WILL BRING OUT DIFFERENT BEAK TYPES WITHINT  A GROUP OF NEW GENE FREQUENCEIES, SHARED GENE FREQUENCY AMONG THE GROUP i MEAN, AS OVER TIME IF THERE IS MORE OF THE ALLEL FOR A PARTICULAR KIND OF BEAK IN THIS GROUP IT WILL COME TO BE CHARACTERISTIC OF THE GROUP, AND THEN THAT FINCH WOULD NATURALLY GRAVITATE TO WHATEVER FOOT ITS BEAK TYPE IS BEST TSUITED FOR, IF A LONG SLENDER BEAK IT MAY PROVE UNDER TREE BARK FOR INSECTS, IF SHORT AND THICK THEY'LL GO FOR NUTS THEY CAN CRACK AND THAT SORT OF THING.  bUT THERE IS NO NEED TO THINK OF THE ENVIRONMENT AS DRIVING THE ADAPTABLION.  iN FACT IF IT WERE THE CREATURE IN MANY CASES WOULD DIE OUT BEFORE IT CAME UP WITH THE NEEDED ADAPTATION.  bUT THERE ARE BOTH UTES AND INSECTIONS  INSECTS THAT IS, IN TREE BARK ON ANY GIVEN ISOLATND AS A FMATTER OF FACT.  tHERE IS NO NEED FOR NATURAL SECLECTION OR FITNESS SELECTION, THE BEAK ITSELF THROUGH THE ACCIDENTAL BCOMBINATIONS OF GENES WILL FIND THE FOOD IT CAN BEST MAKE USE OF.

i DID HAVE TO SPEND A LONJG TIME THINKING ALL THIS THROUGH BUT BY NOW IT ESEEMS SO OBVIOUS i DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW IT ISN'T THE USUAL WAY OF THINKING ABOUT THESE THINGS, HOW NATURAL SELECTION EVER ACQUIRED SUCH STAYING POWER AS THE THEORY OF CHOICE.

bUT ANYWAY, THAT'S ABOUT ADAPTATION.  aS FOFR EVO.LUTION ITSELF IT SEEMS PRETTY OBVIOUS THAT AN ENORMOUS RANGE OF VARIATIONS ARE BUILT INTO THE GENOME OF ANY GSPECIES, THAT YOU CAN BGET AN ENOMROUIS RANGE OF DIFFERENT KINDS OF BIRDS FROM THE SAME BASIC GENEOME JUST BEAUCSE OF THE PAIRING OF DIFFERENT ALLELES FOR EACH GENE.   aS A PARTICULAR BREED FOR  TYPE EMERGES FROM ITS GENETIC ISOLATION OVER GENERATIONS IT DEVELOPES MORE HOMOZYGOSITY FOR ITS SALIENT CHARACTERISTICS, BUT IN THE GENEOME AT LARGE, SCATTERED THROUGHJOUT THE GREATER POPULATION OF THE SPECIES, THERE ARE \\\\ARE MANY MANY MAN VARIATIONS POSSIBLE.  

bUT IN ANY GIVEN LINJE OF EVOL;UTION, SAY THE DEVLOPMENT OF A SLENDER BEAKED FINCH, THAT LINE, WHICH WILL BECOME HOMOZYGOUS OVER TIME FOR THE CHARACRTERISTICS RELATED TO THAT BEAK, WILL BE MOVING IN THE DIRECTION away from EVOLUTION, AWAY FROM VARIATION, AWAY FROM THE POSSIBLEITLITY FO FURTHER CHANGE.  hOMOZYGOSITY IS HOW THIS LIMITATION SHOWS UP.  eVENTUALLY A PURE BREED, USUALLY FOUND ONLY IN DOMESTIC ANIMALS , OR IN THE WILD IN GEENDGAGEREDSPECIES WHICH HAVE UNDERGONE A SEVERE BOTTLENESSCK, IT CAN RACH A POINT WHERE NO FURTHER CHANGE IS POSSIBLE AT ALL.  tHE CHEETAH AND THE ELEPHANT SEAL ARE THE NATURAL EXAMPLES OF THIS.  i THINK THERE ARE DOMESTIC CATTLE FOR WHICH IS TIS TRUE ALSO.  tHEY GETO TO A POINT WHERE THERE IS SO MUCH HOMOZYGOSITY OR FIXED GENES THAT THEY CAN'T "EVOLVE" ANY FURTHER.

aND THAT'S WHAT i'VE IDENTIFIED AS THE EVIDENCE THTA EVOLUTION IS LIMITED BY GENETICS, THAT "EVOLUTION DEFEATES EVOLUTION.
  bECAUSE WEHREEVER YOU FIND CHANG OCCURRING OVER MANY GENERATIONS YOU ALSO FIND THIS GTREND CTO GENETIC DEP.LENTION DEPLENTION.  dEPLETION, REDUCITON IN GENETIC VARIATBILITY, EXPRESSED LARGLY AS INCREAED HOMOZYGOSITY.     tHERE MAY BE LOTS AND LOTS OF GENETIC POTENTIAL IN THE LARGE POPULATION OF THE SPECIES, AS IN THE CAT SPECIES FO RINSTANCE, WHILE THE EVOLVING LINE HAS REACHED A DEAD END, SUCH AS ABHTHTHE CHEETAH,

bUT THAT'S THE POINBT, WSEHREVER THE SPECIES IS EVOLUTION IT GECOMES LESS CAPABLE OF EVOLVING, AND THAT'S MY EVIDNEC ETHA TEVOLUTION IS IMPOSSIBLE, THAT IT'S LIMITED TO WHEGVER THE GENEOME POSSESSES AND EVOLUTIONJ REUES THE VARIABILITY OF WHAT IT POSSIESSES.  yOU CAN STILL GET LINONS AND TIGERS, BT YOU CAN'T GET ANY THING AFTER THE CHEETAH.

aND YOU CAN'T GET ANYTHIHG "OUTSIDE" THE GENOME" AS IT WERE.  tHE VARIATIONS BUILT INTO THE GENEOME ARE SELF LIMITING.  

aND i REALLY DO THINGK THAT THERE IS A BUILT IN LIITATION TO THE BODY PLAN OF EACH SPECIES, THAT YOU DONB'T EVER GET VIABLE VARIATIOHNS ON THE GBODY PLAN ITSELF, SOMJETHNING TO TODO WITH HOW THE GENES ARE ALREADY FIXED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.  bUT A BIRD SPEKELETON IS ALWAYS THE SAME NO MATTER WHAT BIRD YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE BODY SHAPE IS THE SAME AND THE LIMBS ARE ATTACHED IN THE SAME PLACES AND SO ON.  tHE BODY PLAN DOES NOT CHANGE WALTHOUGH THE SIZE AND FEATHER TYPE AND COLOR AND TEXTURE AND SPECTACULAR PLUMABE IN SOME CASES, CAN VARY ENOMRMOUSLY FROM BIRD TO BIRD.  iT'S ALL BUILT INTO THE GENEOME.  iT REQAUIRES NO MTUATIOHNS OR FITNESS SELECTION TO BRING IT OUT, IT'S BROUGHT ABOUT BY CHANGIN G GENE FREQUENCIES THAT BREED TOGETHER IN ISOLATION FROM OTHER GROUPS.  pERIOD.

sO dARWIN'S gALAPAGOS TURTLES WERE JUST THE RPODUCT OF THE NEW GENE FREQUENCY OF THAT GROUP THAT MIGRATED TO THE ISLAND FROM THE MAINLAND.  iT'S GO T NOTHING TO DO WITH EVOLUTION BECAUSE THIS IS JUST VARIATION THAT IS BUILT INTO THE GENEOME. eVOLUTION WOULD REQUIRE CHANGE IN THE BODY PLAN AND i THINK THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE GIVEN THE GENETIC ENDOWMENT OF EACH SPECIES.  

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iT HAS SEEMED TO ME THAT RING SPECIES MAKE A PARTICULARLY GOOD EXAMPLE BECAUSE THEY APPEAR TO BE POPULATIONS THAT FORM FROM PREVIOUS POPULATIONS THAT WILL ALREADY HAVE UNDERGONE SOME DEGENERAEE OF REDUCTION OF GENETIC  VARIABILITY WITH THEIR NEW GENE FREQUENCY SET THAT DIFERS FROM THAT OF THE ERLIER POPULATION, SO THAT YOU ARE GETTING POULATIONS OF TREATER REDUCTIO FO GENETIC DIFVERSITY WSITH EACH NEW MIGRATION FO OF A SMALL NUMBER OF INDIVIDULAS FROM THE PREVIOUS OPUATION.  yOU ARE LIKELY TO GET QUITE DRAMATIC NEW PHENOTYPES, THAT IS, VISIBLE CHARACTERISTICS, ESPEICALLY IN BIRDS WHICH CAN HAVE VERY DRAMATIC PLUMAGE AND COLORATION, BUT IT WILL BE ACCOMPANIED BY THE LOSS OF ALLELES FOR OTHER TRAITS WHICH IS THE REDUCTION IN GENERITC DIFERCDCTION.  tHE NEW CHARACTERISTICS ARE ALSO VERY LIKELY TO BE HOMOZYGOUS.  aS YOU GO RAROUND THE SERIES OF POPULATIONS YOU SHOJULD READH THE LAST ONE WHICH HAS ALMOST ALL HOMOZYGOUS SALEINT STRAITS.   THIS IS LIKELY BUT i DON'T THINK IT HAS BEEN SHOWN.  i'D WANT TO SET IT UP IN A LABORATORY IF POSSIBLE TO CONTROL THE ISOLATION FROM POUOPULATION TO POPULATION.

aND i LIKE THE POD MRCARU EXAPLE OF THE LIZARDS THAT DEVELOPED LARGE HEADS AND STRONG JAWS ON THIRY YEARS FROM A FOUNDING POPULATION OF TEN INDIVIDUALS RAMDOMLY TAKEN FROM THE LARG POPULATIO ON THE MAINLAND.  THE NEW GENE FREQUENCIES IN THE SMALL POPULATION WERE OBVIOUSLY CONDUCIVE TO THE DEVLOPEMENT OF THOSE LARGE HEADS AND STRONG JAWS AND AS A RESULT THE LIZARDS ON THE ISLAND GRAVITATED TO A NEW DIET OF SOMETHIHGN A LOT ROUGHER THAN THE DIET THE POARENT POPULATION ON THE MAINLAND HAS.   THIRDY YEARS WOULDN'T BE LONG ENOUGH FOR NATURAL SELECTION ACCORDING TO THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION, BUT IT'S PLENTY LONG ENOUGH FOR A NEW GESET OF GENE FREQUENCIES IN TEN INDIVIDUALS TO WORK THEIR WAY THROUGH THE WHOLE POU;LATION FROM GENERATION TO GENERATION UNTIL THERE MIGHT BE THOUSANDS OF INDIVIDUALS ON THE ISOLAND.   hUNDRED AS ANYWAY.

aNYWAY, THAT'S THE BIOLOGICAL EVIDENCE AAINST EVOLUTION THAT i WORKED ON FOR TEWETNY YEARS.  tHERE'S ALSO GEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE AGAINST AN OLD EARTH AND THE IDEA OF THE FOSSIL RECORD,K WHICH i'VE WRITTEN ABOUT IN RECENT OSTS.  iT TOO NEEDS A MORE EXPANDED DISCUSSION BUT i'M NOT UP TO IT IAT THE MOEMNT.

IT IS SO FRUSTRATING TO KEEP MAKING MISTAKES AS i TYPE, AND i'M JUST GRATEFUL TO FIND THAT FOR THE MOST PART THEY DON'T MANGLE THE MEANING BEYOND ALL RECOGNIZTION.