Saturday, July 27, 2024

Aa vERY bRIEF SKETCHY RESENTTION OF AN AGUMENT AGAINST EVOLUTION, A GENETIC OR BIOLGOCIAL ARGUMENT

 Dawkins likes to spell out the definition of evolution as evolutin by nautral selection, and he once made a little visual of stick figures that change from one kind of figure to another as they roll around, presumabley  undergoing evolution.  they just go on and on changing and changing and changing from one frame to the next.  Ir remember thinking to mysel fthat the man obviously has no notion whatever that there are barriers to that process.  Of course not, but then that was the title of my first post on the subject at EvCforum as I tried to put together my thoughts on that subject for the first ftime and in fact forthe next few times as well.  Natural Barrier to Processes of Evolution or something olike that was my title I think.  

The natural barrier is easily enough statesd as the fact that phenotypic change occurs as the result of loss of genetic diversity.  You can get change from population to poplation as long as you have enough genetic fuel for the change, but eventually as you reduce genetic diversity from change to change you will run out of the ability to change further, and that that point you've reached the end of th epossibility of evolution.l  Evolution itself brings evolution to a halt.  And tall that's really happened is that the variation built into the genome has reached an end down one or another patheway of change.  It's all within the genome, you can't get out of the geneome, but of course the ToE depends on being able to continue change beyond the genome and that's what ADwkins is assuming.

Yes, assuming.  they assume it all, there is no evidence for anyiy of it, evolution is all assumed  it's all theory, meajing ALL theory, not a theory that has evidence backing it, just all theory, theory from beginning to end, fantasy from beginning to end, all imagined, conjured, projected etc and then treated as if it were reality.  His little figures keep rolling along without a hitch, but in reality there are plenty of hitches.  

I always take breeds, domesting breeding, because it's handy and tracing a patho fol of natural eselection itn eh wild is a lot harder.  it can be done I think with ring species but I usually end up thinking it would hae to be donein a laband then it would rapidly become unwieldy although perhaps not impossiblyle.  Anyway I go to breeding becuase I know the processes are identical to what would happen in the wild despite the fact that they are selected by a human being.  Yes I get objections to this idea but such objections are ridiculous, the processres are the same, the source of the selection is really irrelevant, but they always want to make issues out of anyting.  Oh well.  Darwin himself used domesting seslection as a n example to make his case for natural eselection as the mover of evolution.  He'd bred pigeouns and knew how powerful selection is in making changes from generation to generation.  

So pick a breed of dog, there are hundreds you can pick any you like, they all became the breed they are by the same process of selection.  Traits are selected and the same ones selected over and over as new generations are born, always the best examples of the desired traits being breed bred and preserved from contampin ation by the introductionj of other genetic types.

Someone somewhere on the internet wrote that a pure bred is an animal with many fixed loci or many homozygoud genes for its salient tratits.  Homoszyugosity is a crucial element in the defvelopment of breeds or probably ring spiecies or any animal that develops from an isolated number of individuals that inbreed only among themseles.  This is how you get change from population to population, this is what evolution is, although it is really just variation built into the genome and there is no such thing as eovlution ibn the sense the theory requires.  You cN'T EVER GET BEYOND THE GENOME OF THE CREATURE, ALL THE VARIATION IS WITHIN THE GENOME AND YOU CAN GET SOME REALLY DRAMATIC NEW KINDS OF ANIMAL MERELY THROUGH THAT PROCESS, THE ISOLATION OF A POPULATION OF CERTAIN TRAITS .  sO A FEW WILDEBEEST WANTED OFF FROM THE MAIN HERD OF MILLIONS AND GET LOST AT SOME DISTINACE FROM THEHERD SO THAT THEYU BECOME THEIR OWN HERD AND OVER A NUMBER OF GENERATIONS THEY DEVELOP A WHOLE NEW LOOK FROM THE ORIGINAL HERD.  tHAT'S WHAT EVOLUTION IS.  IT'S REALLY JUST THE MIXING OF VARIATIONS BUILT INTO THE GENOME THROUGH INBREEDING UNTIL A NEW TYPE EMEGERES THAT IS CHARACTERISTIC OF THIS NEW POPULATION AND DIFFERS IN DESCRIABLY WAYS FORM THE ORIDINGAL .  tHAT'S HOW YOU GET BREEDS, AND THAT'S HOW YOU GET NEW POPULATIONS IN THE WILD.  yOU WILL ALWAYS GET A GDOG HOWEVER, YOU WILL ALWAYS GET A WILDESBEEST, IT WILL JUTS HAVE ITS OWN PECULIAR CHARACTERISTICS ALTHO8UGH ITS BASIC BODY PLAN WILL ALWAYS BE A DOG OR A WILDESBEEST.

wHEN YOU BREED FOR A GREAT dANE, SAY, YOU ELIMINATE ALL THE GENES FOR dACHSCUNDS, CHICHUAUAS, HUSKIES AND SO ON.  yOU elimjinate , THAT'S THE POINT.  yOU REDUCE GENETIC DIFVERISTY IN ORDER TO BRING OUT THE NEW PHENOTYPE.

aND THAT FACT MAKES EVOLUTION IN THE SENSE OF THE tHEORY OF eVOLUTION MJUST PLAIN IMPOSSIBLE.  

yuES i CAN ALSO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS ABOUT MUTATIONS.


i'M TRYING TO BE AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE USUALLY i GET INTO LENTTHY DRAWN OUT ATTEMPTS TO ANSWER EVERY OBJECTION THAT COMES TO MIND, AND THAT WOUILD STILL HABVE TO BE DONE IN ANY SERIOUS DISCUSSION BUT HERE i JUST WANT TO SKETCH IT OUT KNOWING IT WILL RAISE MORE UESTIONS THAN IT ANSWERS.



nOTE:  aS i LITEN BACK TO MY POSTS OF COURSE i NOTICE ALL MY TYPOS ABUT i ALSO NOTICE THAT THERE SEEMS TO BE A LOT MORE ERROS THAN i MYSELF CREATED.  yES i DO THINK SOMEONE HAS TAMPERED WITH MY BOG AND MAKE MY POSTS EVEN WORSE THAN i MAKE THEM.  yES i THINK THAT.  oNCE WHEN i WAS TYPING ON wORD IN MY OWN COMPUTER AND NOT ON THE ITNERNET i GOT THE MESSAGE THAT SOMEONE ELSE WAS EDING WHAT i WAS WRITING.  sOMEONE DOES THAT TO ME.  DID IT THERE, DOES IT HERE.

Glenn Loury

It's none of my business and maybe I shouldhn't say anyting about it at all, but here I go anyway.  I just notices hat when my eye falls on a picture of Glenn Lowry, or is that Loury Loury, oh well, who is talking with John McWhorter on a page I have open, that a sort of visceral feeling of sadness comes over me.  Physical feeling I mean, something I feel in my stomach.  Maybe it's spiritual though.  I often have the feeling of wanting to comfort him somewhow, I like him, I like his comments, but then I'm feeling his this sadness for him.  I can't say I know why but as I was thinking about it oit occurred to me that I think of him as struggling between two parts of himself and think of him as struggling with people in his life whom he loves but doesn't agree with about very important things.  this is true, he says so himself, and says so

 babout himself and McWhorter in this particular recent show I'm watching.  
So althought it's none of my business and I shouldn't talk about a person in such personal terms whom I don't even know I'm going to go ahead and say I think he's fighting his spiritual nature.   He's mentioned that he was once part of a Christian group and considered himself to be born again.  But no longer practices any of that.  He seems to bme to be trying sometimes to entertain opinions he really doesn't share and they are at least somewhat leftist oriented opinions.  that's a feeling I get, I could be terribly wrong, at this and everythinjg else I'm saying.  But anyway.

I then thought that if he really ws born again he still is born again.  You don't lose the new birth, you are a new creature and you can't unborn yourself and undo your very being itself.  If he ws born again he is still born again, and if this is true then he is going to be at aodds with al kinds of things in this world and it will cause him pain to accept them or try to accept them.  For sure even when we are born again ewe still have ths in nature in us, we still have the Old Man in us and we are still prone to falling into fleshly and worldly swins and thoughts.  But it also hurts if the pisirt has the uupper hand in a particular issue.  I think he struggles a lot with the people he disagrees with, not wanting to alienate them and this is possibly because the spirit in him is suffering fom his attempt to deny that part of himself over and over.  I doubht his wife is born again and I know John McWhorter isn't, so he's in company with people who don't share his spiritual nature.  there is a great sadness in denying it if this is so.  I feel it is so.

I could be completely totally horribly wronjg.  But if I'm right the sooner he recognizes his condition and turns back to god the sonner he will find his ral identity and prhaps bring some joy back into his life .  but perhaps joy is not missing from his life and then who knows where this feeling of sadness is coming from     As I said I probably shouldn't have written any of this.  Maybe I'll com back and delete it.