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Sunday, December 22, 2024
Saturday, December 21, 2024
A Holodcaust Story to Keep the Christmas Holiday Alive?
This week's Understanding the Times radio show hosted by Jan Markell, presents excerpts from the story of Holocaust survivorf Anita Dittman, who was a converted Christian but spent time in a concentration camp anyway, It's a story of eremdembption and hope so it's good for the Christmas season. Another theme to keep the holidaty alive for us, along with the Messiah and the Star of Bethleheme and Christmas carols and all that I'm also pursuing this year.
U gave ti adnut ut I have to admit it feels like lying in a way to emphasize these things or to try to hkeep the holiday alive at all because of the way the world has been going. It feels like a denial of reality, even an escape. But on the other hand, whatever helps to keep the dying culture alive is probably a good thing.
Certainly a holocaust story is a reminder of how evil can break out in this fallen world, and even the most happy outcome of such a story doesn't make it a beacon of hope for the culture, all I mean is that it is being presented as a Christmas story for its hopeful themes, its miraculous elements and its happy outcome, it's no feel good marker of the holiday in itself. I'm sure that's clear enough but I felt I needed to ssay it here.
Christ is in the story and he is the point of Christmas.
Friday, December 20, 2024
What I'd Like to See in the Revived culture
Introduction to Financial Literacy - Money Management for Teens! - YouTube
Sunday december 22
I've had that link up for a few days now but never got back to it. It's to a course on money and financial management I found on You tube, which interests me because my twelve year old grandson has recently been interested in the stock market, and for tsome time has also shown an interest in managing money in general. He likes to keep track of his money and carefully budgest his expenses for instance. He makes money doing some chorse. I was looking for a book on the stock market for his age group but didn't find that yet, although this course probably covers that topic in one of its sections. Still I'd rather have a book on the subject.
I opften think how what this country has needed for a long time is a general education in the founding principles of the nation, the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence and any other writings that would help understand this truly different form of goverfnment we have that few of us have ever even begun to appreciate properly. I cewrtainly wouldn't want the Left to teach such a topic, as they already do in the universitties to our great detriment, so how could this happen anyway. I think of conservtives getting together and running dosomething like a cafe, or maybe like a christian science reading room where people would go to find information hear lectures perhaps, have snacks and coffee and so on. Informatal and noncompulsory but a place where information is readily available and scheduled from time to time. the big think tanks do this sort of thing but not on a small enough scale and not available enough to the public. i'd like to bring some of what they do down to the local level. nd of course the principles of American covneemrent would be a major topic. THE major topic.
but UIlso think w could use other kibnd of information as well, such as financial managmenet, basic information about the stock market and so on. If my gransdson ins intereted there could be information greared to his age as well as to those of us who are older who are financially illiterate as I pretty much still am. Mentions of the stock market put me to sleep. They perk up my gransdson. But I suppose they could be made interesting even to me.
And then I tin of other lecture topics and books that could be availbalel, The cultural history of marriage and family for instance. Even housekeeping for those of use who managed to avoid that experience as children. I dunny, all kinds of stuff coudl be available in my little local cafe college reading room or however it should be thought of .
Anyway, that's what I had in mind when I put up that link.
But as usual I have to add that we're probably never going back to life as it was anyway, long enough to try to float such an tenterprise. Surely the Lst Days are galloping along and the end is nearer than we like to think. but then, we don't know, do we.
Thursday, December 19, 2024
Some Markers of the God Season
That little link goes to one of the songs performed byt eh high school honor choir I mention in a post below tht one of my grandsons participated in and this is the song I have to call my fvorite of all they sang although I like a lot of the others too. O Love. It sil olmakes me cry if I haven't heard it in a while. All those lovely blencded voices of teenage boys. Singing about the God who is Lovew. I'd like to think their own individual souls inhabit the words a as those words grip me but that's probably just an illusion of the lovely lsound they make singing it. My grandson told me that the younger boys were bored with many of the songs they sang that day becaue they are just too mature ofor them. nevertheless they sing them beautifully.
I alsjus heard again the Uncommon Knowledge rountable with Steven Meyer, aDSouglass Murray and Tom Holland who are talking about the possibility of the reality aof god from the point of view of men who have seen evidence for the existence of such a being yet don't believe in Him. These dayhs I often think to myself that it shouldn't be that difficult to realize that he xists. All you have to do is read the passage about jesus' appearnace to Doubting Thomas after His resurrection to prove to him that He is in fact alive although He was dead, since Thomas refused to believe it unless he saw it with his own two eyes. Jesus gave him that experience and he believed, but said those who did not need such proof but believed those who had seen hiHim and told others about His being raised from thed dead should be believed. Seems so simple to me thse days that all you have to do is belive that passage. It's quite believable.
It' also the time of year when I usually listen to the Messiah , maybe a few times, and may also watch the video documentary at You Tube titled the Star of bethlehem, in which lawyer Rich Larson investigates the evidence to find out what the star was that scripture says heraleded the birth of Jesus to the Magi who came from the East to worship Him. Larson got an astronomy program and did quite a bit of research into the history of attempts to locate the star, then in my opinion founjd it with the program. And found other things as well about how God uses the celestial objects of the Jozdiac to send us a message about His gift of the Messiah. you can find it at You Tube. I thought it had been taken down but then I found it again.
Wednesday, December 18, 2024
The Narcississtic personality
I don't usually get pulled into discussions of psychology in my travels around You tube but recently a number of videos started coming up on the subject of the narcissistic personality, quite a few psychologists discussion this particular psychological phenomenon, a cetegory or collection of categories in the Diagnositc and tatistical Manusal, and thanks to a n enounter with a difficult personality in my own life I found myself interested in paying more attention to these discussions. then I got hooked and have been gobbling them up, at least the videos of one particular psychologicat, a Dr. Ramani. She lays out the characteristics of different versions of this personality type in great detail and I find myself fascinated.
While I was in rehab after a medical condition landed me in the hospital back in April, I had one roommate who total threw me. I'd neve r encountered such a personality before. I asked her to please turn deown the TV as it was too loud for me and she said one flat ":no." Just No. Nothing more than that, just No. I'd already had two other roommates and both had wuite qillingly tried to turn it down for me. then after one horrible night of loud tv blaring incessangly I complained loudly to the urse about it and the roommate actually lectured me as if it were my own fault, that for heavens sake the world is full of noise, what is the matter with me that I can't stnad her tv being on? I was flummosedc. I'd enever enountered such a self justifying silly attitude beofre in my life. I could mention other qualities of this woman that fit the narcissistic profiles I'm hearing about but those two attitudes ought to get it across. i didn't have the concept of the narcissitic personality at the time to apply to her but I find it helfpful to have it how. I think she must be a textbook case.
Funinally by the way a friend intervened for me by calling the front sdesk and the head nurse showed up late at night to find the tv blaring and told my roommate she had to shurt if off, that's the rules. Blessed relief.
So I've been thinking a lot about psychological things that I don't usually think about these days. Oh I hear Jordan Peterson from time to time but he's kind of an oddball, and my main reaction to him is that he's way off the rails the wsay he talks about the Bible, about which I've wanted to do a blog post for omsome time and may yet. but that's about it for psycholgoicaly in my world until this narcissistic personality thing came along. It's quite a big fad these days. ther are at ledas six peop[le talking about it in great deptgh on You tube that I have run across, and Dr. ramani does a vidoeo on it every day. The purpose is to help people who are the victims of such personalities get free of their damaging influences.
But it's made me think how the culture itself seems to have been going in the direction of the characteristics ascribed to these personaltieis. Self entitlement,k disregard for the rights of others, lack of empathy for others, a gradiosse way of talking and thinking, proneness to rages against anyone who thwarts their wishes, justification of all kind of sabuse to others and projection onto them of all the blame for awhatever happens. It's kind of a picture of the Fallen World shorn of any correctives from , well, from Christianity in particular, or any moral system. As I was desdribing our situation in the previous post.
People are justifying criminals, the Left in particular is justifying criminality. They have no esympathy for those who are their victims, but plenty for the criminals who they think of as tuthe underdog opporessed by the normal people or something like that. they dcriminalize the normal people, vilify anyone who has succeeded by ahard work in acquiring some measure of comfort or wealth. envy is a characteristic of the narcissist. And so on.
Again I think of the loss of the ten Commandements in the culture. If they are taught and taken seriously at all they work to put a restraint on self serving abuses. If the truth that sin leads to death and ultimately to Hell is taken seriously such moral restraints are strongly internaliized and if widespread in the population make up a people who can live with others in a harmonious civilized way. Without those retstraints we get the chaos ahd criminalitiey run amok we are seeing today.
I guess I'm also sucggesting that although ramani thinks you can't change personaltiy, if such a moral restraint were still in force in our culture we woudl have a lot fewer of such personaltiies who seem to be proliferating these days. they could internalizie these restraints like anyone else its seems to me.
Later. It also occurred to me that Marxism, and in fact Marx himself, are strong purveyors othe of the narxissitic mentlaity in the cutlure. this is a theme I wanted to devlop in the above post but I'll have to come back to it some other time.
More about the devovling culture, the rejection of the moral law
Yes I know that if we are as close to the very last days as it seems we are, very strongly seems we are, then a revival is not to be expected. Descriptions of the days leading up to the end picture a worsening moral climate along with various disasters that speak of god's judgments, no mention of any glorious renewals as the time craws nearer. But we don't know how close we are. It certainly feels very very close, as if things just couldn't get any worse so we must be just about there, but we don't know how bad it could sill et before the end, we don't know anytbhing until it happens. We know it's coming but we have no way ofknowing long long it will be in the arrival. that being the case I still hope for a revival before it all comes down. A revival would pull people into the Church and save them from the last days horror show. they can still be saved then but I wouldn't wish that way of being saved on anywone.
Some huge percentage of houng people , like forty percent. think murdering the CEO of United Health Care was ustified, altho8ugh they know tnothing at all about the man or his work or any hnint at all that he ever did anything to deserve any kihnd of retribution. Being the CEO of health and incsurance company is enough to justify murder in the minds of an awful lot of people. If that doesn't set your teeth on edge you aren't educated in the things we need to be educated in to run a civilization'
That statistic anolone is enough to suggest the last days are upon us it seems to me. And it also makes me think of how it couldn't happen if we'd remained at least superficially a Christian nation, or a Christian West, as we truly were up until, oh I don't know, half a century ago? If you throw out the Bible, tear down the ten Caommandments monuments, actually challenege the state that wants to install them in classrooms, you are denying the culture exacly the anticite to t all this murderous evil , this uncivilizing of the world that we are seeing. Murder is a shall not in the ten commandments, but they are making it a positive value in today's world for people who are merely annoyed at the though t of someone running an inusurance company that doesn't do what they think the company should do deserves to be jmurdered. Not given a fair trial even, just murdered in cold blood by any random person who feels annoyed at him. think wehere this sort of thinking is going. think of all the school shootinbgs. Nobody is teaching the truth about violations of God's law that they lead to death and hell. Scripture teaches that over and over and over but we've thrown out the bible and forbidden it from being taught in schools or spoken in public. We can't even sing true Christmas carols that celebrate the true meaning of Christmas in public any more. it's all winter type songs, celebration songs that scelebrate nothing at all except eating a lot of pumbpkin pie and so on.
So nobody hears that God has commanded us not to murder, or ven harbor hatred in our hearts toward others, to love our neighbor as ourselves, not to lie to our neighbor or about our neighbor, not to steal from our neighbor , not to be disrespectful to our parents and other legitimate authorities, not to commit adultery, not to covet or envy others what they have. We are not taught those things any more and I suppose if we trie to d to makew people aware of them we'd be put in jail for it.
Having killed the main safeguard against murderous lying disruptive decivilizaing chaors, we've open ed the door to a realm of horrors hat those who are aware should experience as terrifying. those who are blithely denying religioun and any morality beyond their own pleausre won't get it until it is too late.
Jesus died to save us from an eternity of midsery for our violations of the Moral Law. that is still offered to anyone who will diligently look 8into it, believe it and surrender to it. Even if the world around us all continues to come aparet at the seams.
Saturday, December 14, 2024
Friday, December 13, 2024
More Prayer Now, more Repentance, More Seeking of God's Will, That's what we need more of.
Some on the Right are understandably rather full of themselves these days, carrying on about how Trump won so resoundingly that we're now going to get to right all the rwongs we've been enduring for so long. Trump has a mandate and now we'll get the border security and the economic propserity and the peaceful international scene and the trade agreements that work for everybody and don't put the USA behaind the eight ball as it were, and racial relations will go back to their condition pe Woke when we could point to measurabhle progres despite knowing that there will always be some tension, and Wiokeness irtself will go away finally and America will again be the great force for good in the world we used to be.
I want that to be true of course, but it puts my teeth on edge that God is not invoked in these optimistic effusions of hope. If we are not gdoing it all consciously in God's power and for God's purposes in the world , but doing it all by human means and in human strength and for human purposes, even with the occasional thaknks to god and so on, how long will this wonderful merciful reprieve He's given us last? Only Christians can be expected to understand the situation in this light of course, but I'd expect to hear more of it than I do. Which is prettymuch none at this point, just listening ot the news I mean.
The Woke insanity is tstill out there, the murderous self entitlement of the Left is still out there, the plots against Trump go on in Leftist circules despite some surprising soul souearching on the Left. Yes our war is not against flesh and gblood but against the powers and principlalityies of the Satanic kingsomdome, yes, but Satan never resests, he bides his time and he knows who to trigger to do his purposes.
jI also hear warnings that this is not a gime to let our guard down becaue of the ongoing Leftist designs. that part I do hear. What I don't hear enough of or at all is that it all depends on God and staying in tune with Him.
Wednesday, December 11, 2024
Devolution of Culture Inevitable result of Giving Up on God
So Christmas has devolved into a completely secular holiday, not new since it's been devolving for decades now, but it seems more extreme this year. Probably just because of how it has been coming at me. Grandson was part of the Christiamas chorus at the tree lighteing dceremony in his town and the teacher was told that one of the songs awas too religious and had to be dropped. I don't know which one yet but any religious note in anything they sing would surprise me since it's all been relentlessly secular that I've heard fso far. except for one of the songs in the honor choir I mention in the previous post but that one is not a popular song, I'd never heard of it before and it's vegaue enough to fly under the radar. O Love that will not let me go is the first line, an d it's about God'xs relationship with the Christian soul. Now that I've mentioned it someone may notice and it will hnever be sung again. It's one of the gons I like the most, lovely chords weafving in and out between the four voices from bass to first tenor.
Whle they were visiting last week I became aware that my grandsons don't know the Christmas Carols at all. Some of the melodies sound familiar to them but that's about it. Well, their parents aren't Christians so they don't have the experience of church where they might have heard the carols. Nbobody had the patience to learn them while they were here so I'm hopihng they'll hear them somewhere else.
It's still true that the beauty of the music in the Honor Choir gives me ope for the culture but the initial thrill of it has worn ofrf by now. Beauty in the mouths of teenage boys I mean, which is unexpected for some reason though literally I shouldn't be surprised. because I'm aware of the existence of such choirs. Just hit me from a new angle this year I guess.
There is so much craziness continuing to dominate the news it's hard to keep up my state of hopefor the culture. If Trump hadn't won the doward sligde would be even more precipitous of course, pretty total and sudden so at least there's the relieief of a temporary mitigation of the ineitable ultimate crash as this fallen world reaches its destiny which it can't help to do since it has abandoned God.
theyu fitht viciously against anyu shred of Christian influence. that was never the plan of the Conssituion or the framers of the nation certainly not the Declaration of Independnence which affirmed the importance of God in the conception of a nation. Tennessee and Luisian a have recently made laws to bring back Christain influence in their schools but it's being fought in the courts already. Give up on the ten Commandments and you get the criminal ctrends we've been seeing olately, but they deny that we need religion to protect or guarantee a moral society. Even George Washington sayid wwe need that in one of his speeches, that you can't divorce morality from the Christian religion. John Adams said the same. jeffereson concurred. They weren't true Christians, anyh of them but they aprpeciated the hristian heritage. And now we've lost even that much. We can't put up the commandments against stealing, lying, murder, adjultery or covetousness or disrespecting paraents because these days the whole cultrue is going in favor of those once criminal behaviors, well murder anyway since lying and adultery and coverintging aren't criminal. Oh stealing too used to be criminal but now it's supported by the law of all things so that businesses are having to close their doors. Truly it's all incsance but insancne but somehosw they go on in this directly anyway and never get it. We now see rioting in favor of murder of all things. Sorry I'm tired I shouldn't be writing this yet I suppose. Not rioting but loud opinions in favor iof letting a man hurt people on the subway rather than praise the man who restrained him, loud opinions in favor of the murder of a man on the streets of new york. Utter unbelievable insanity. I could neverr have buguessed that the world cold go this far in this direction if you asked me ten years ago let alone twenty or thirty even though it was already pretty insane by then.
Adams said our form of government is adequate only for a moral and relig8ious people. Well we've long since lost it and the crash is inevitable though hopow long it will tak to get there isn't glclear. could be tomorrow. could be years from now. Fortunately there are people workjing to restrain it, but the voices on the other side are awfully loud and arrogantly certain of their righteness. \\
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It's a fallen world. There's only one place a fallen world can end up. In total and utter self destruction. God will interviene before that happens to the uttermost but it's coming and it isn'[t going to be pretty.
Thursday, December 5, 2024
A Musically Happy thanksgiving for me
Belated Happy thanksgiving. Coldn't get to my blog for a olong time. Nothing much to say about the holiday itself except that it was a nice time with extended family and lots of food. four generations under one roof on my borothe's sid3e. His great grandsdaughter is almost two, and the star of the evening.
The highlifht for me was getting to hear a recording of one of my gransndsons' choir perforan ces. He's a senior in highschool and had qualified for the regional hojors choir which put on this show. I can't find him in the crowd onstage but the music was lovely. all the kids were chosen for their ability to sinbg well, on pitche, read music, etc etc etc and they sound great.
There is a boys choir,m a girls choir and a mixed choir but all his dad recorded was the boys choir. Maybe they call it mens rather than boys. tghey sound likje jmen. There's everything from two tenors to a baritone and a basss secrtion. My daughter set me up with a set of ear hones that enabled me to experience it in wonderful sterio with great clarity and i8t reduced me to tears it was dso beuatufiul.
I think it was more than the music itself that so affected me, but the fact that threse are teenage boys, from fourteen to eighteen or so, and who expects such beaturfy from that age roup? My grandson said he wants to be in the chorus because of the experienc3ew of being surrounded by such lovely blended sounsds, and that's my experience listening to it with these head phones. He also played for me his own collection of the girls choir and the mixed choir and they are great too, and I'ld like to have a copy of those as well, but I think there's something abut the fact that boys can produce such musical loveliness that affects me the most. boys get such a bad rap in our culture these days, and this performance reduced me to tears of hope for the recorvery of some of our lost westernculture.
Intelligence, professionalism, musical skills of all kinds from pitch to timing to modulation to tonality.
Here's the youtube channel: @joemitola5178
there's a woman's head in the way so you have to see around her, and there are some background noiceses from time to time but not too bad I hope.
Wednesday, November 20, 2024
Economic Castles in the Air
I've been listening to some interviews with a Marxist economist, Richard Wolff.
In an interview titled the Final Caste Against Donald Trump I just heard him say that taxing the rich stimulateds the economy but leaves the government without the revenuwe to pay its obligations. This seems to me to be a simple logical error because the fact is that when the rich are taxed less it not only stimulates the economyu it grows the tax revenue, because there are more workers paying taxes and more workers earning more money so mpaying highter taxes. It's fa fact that the tax revenue is hight. In the reagan era when he cut taxes on the ricdh the tax revenue collected by the IRS was double what it had been before. Shouldn't Wolff be aware of this? Why isn't he?
He goes from there to how we are in debt to China, which I've also heard we are, to a frightening degree. Seems we agree on that, or he agrees with the conservatives on that, but he has the wrong idea bout why, perhaps because he's a leftist who never faces the fact that it's the left that is always spending so much money it's the cause of the debt in the first place.
Not thta the republicans don't obverspend as well, but at least they make some effort to pay it down, which is trump's plan again when he gets into office. this second time.
I suppose I'm sounding a lot more sure of myself rthan I have any right to. I'm just repeating what I've een hearing from my own conservative sources. I'm aware I know very little about all of this. But I'm pretty sure I'm able to jusdge that this Marxist is living in some kind of seconomic lalaland as far as understanding the actual facts goes. He talks in sweeping generalitgies and it's hard to know what exactly he's tlalkingabout. I'll keep listening for a while though.
Years ago I made some effort to read Marxsx and amarxist wrigints. I ended up with the impression that they never come down to earth, that it's all heady theorizing way above the level of actual nitty gritty reality.
And this guy Wolff sounds the same.
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Friday: This link doesn't belong here but it's not worth s separate post. I still want to comeb back to this and say more about this economist, this Marxist Professor Wolff, and this link goes to a brief video about a leftist named Destiny who seems to hate us conservatives so much he hasn't the slightest sympathy for those who get killed such as the man at the raplly where trump was almost killed. And he orestty much wishes us all dead, certainly censored so that not a word we ever eutter gets heard by anyonhe outside our own tight circles. Such hatred the Left has for us. This guy Wolff doesn't express that degree of hatred but since he manages to misreqpresent all kinds of things conservaiv in the economic realm I think it's fair to say he doesn't like us much either, he thinks we are stupid, because what he says we say is pretty stupid, although it isn't what we say. Anyway I dstill hope to come back to him. Meanwhile here's the link tgo the brief video o
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Friday, November 15, 2024
End Times Update After the Election
So Is the Rapture Now on Hold? – Pastor Mark Henry and Alex Newman
I was expecting God's judgment too, just as one of Jan Markell's guest pastors says he was, but instead God had mercy on us. Many were praying before the election and God heard. But that doesn't mean the evil powers aren't still at work, they're just regrouping around the new circumstanstance which are a temporaty setback in their plans as they see it. And jusnot just as they see it, but according to Bible prophecy since at some point things are not going to get better but only worse down to the very end.
This week's Understanding the Times radio show focuses on the global agenda, the bendhind the scenes machinations to promote the global agenda, even the demonic realm is brought into the discussion.
TheUN is the subject of discussion for a long segment. I was folling a lot of the demonic nature of the UN years ago for some time and hand't heard much about it since then, probably because I haven't been checking out the sources as I used to. The UN is an evil organization and what often puzzled s me is how a Christian nation ever got itself involvwd in anything global like the UN or its precursosr the League of Nations. A christian should know that this being a fallen world and the majority of nations being government by Satan rather than Christ, there is no good to be had in any league btween us and them. We are forever at odds with them. This ought to be obvious but for some reasonn it hasn't been.
There is a movement to get us out of the UN, and maybe Trump will usher it along.
Saturday, November 9, 2024
Would Women's Covering Our Heads Bring Revival?
When i think about our need for a great revival what often comes to mind is the qustion of women's covering our heads in prayer, about which I have an entire blog. A very unpopular idea but I really think a careful ohonest assessment of One Corinthians Eleven as I've laid it out in that blog shows that it really is required of us, and yet we gave it up back in the sixties. of course the sixties, when so much deviation from truth and reality took off.
If it is a condition for revival how could it possibly be recognized by the churches at this late date.
It wld tae the support of some prominent Christian leaders but the ones I think of are all committed to the idea that Paul was only referring to a cultural norml of his own daty and didn't mean it to become the practice of the Church in all times. that idea was promited by one dr. Thomas Schriner and his work on that subject had an unfortunately large influence on the evangelical Church. Huge. I believe I showed in my blog how his thinking was logically so bad it's amazing the paper got any kind of acceptance at all. It should never have been published. But Shriner has a strong reputation and nobody wants to question him so it goes on doing its work of underminding the Church in an area that may be far more important than anyone wants to acknowledge.
John MacArthur is one who continues to promote Shriner's false thinking, quite aggressively. I wonder if he has ever taken the time to examine the subject himself. It's unforutnately true that it would take a John MacArthur changing his mind and promoting the head wcovering for women to have enough influence on the evangelical Hurch as a whole to further the conditions for revivial that God has given us. It would also take his being convinced that we need and could have a really powerful revival and I'm not sure he does. Or he thinks we've been having it although it has nothing of the power of the big revivals like the Lamphier and the Welsh revivals and the Hebrides. I've prayed for Mad Arethur to get it but I don't pray enough.
Alister Begg is another wone whose view needs to change and could be influential. There are certainly others but I think John MacArthur is probably THE one hwho could pull it off, influence the entire church.
Please Lord, let us have anoher Great Awakening. Like the one before the Revolutionary War.
Sunday: It's been a long time since i brought up this topic here and now I'm remembering again how important I think it could be for the Church and how nobody is talkinga bout it at all. I'f ve sometimes thought it could be at the root of many of the problems we've been suffering under for decades now, strting with Marxist feminism but including Gay rights and now this transgender craziness. anything to do with the perversion of god ordained sexuality in the culture. the Church hpoollds onto some of god's ordinances concerning the headship of man over women such as requiring only male clergy and elders, at least in some of the churches, but the head covering is a big one that has been completely ignored and could be the cause of much of the current cultural degeneration we're seeing. Yes I really think this is a possibility. I believe God gave me the subject of the head covering to research and defend as a requirement, but I can't say he's led me to these conclusions about the culture, I just think they are very likely. Besides thinking that the Church's rejection of the covering may be the main reason we haven't had the revival so many have been praying for for decades. i don't count the charismatic so called revivals, certainly not the Laughitng revival. the very tone of those revivals says they are not of God.
It's up toGod to make use of this information if He is leading me to write it. There's not much i can do with it except write it out here where few read it. but god can do all kinds of impossible things so if He wants to make use of it I hope I'm doing what He'd like my part to be.
I'm sure a big hurdle for the acceptance of the head covering is the fear of alienating women. it's sad when preachers and pastors fear anything along these lines bur t it does happen, fear losing their five oh one C three status if they promote a poltiical view based on teh bible, which is really something the Bible requries of them, or say anything that might alienate some people in the congregation and provoke them to leave, and certainly alienating women would have repersucssions. but it's a matter of whether God wants it or not, and if He does then anyone who is truly a Christian should want it too and that would have to be the message.
I hope anyone who sees this would pass it onene and pray about it.
Jere's that new email addres my daughter is managing for me:
faithswindow@meil.com
new email: faithswindow@mail.com
Helf the Country Still Believes the Lies.
Late Wednesday Nov 13
It shouldn't be a surprise that so many believe a totally false long long list of crazy ideas about Trump and the lection,what trump is supposedly going to do in office and so on, but I still have this feeling it hs to be some kind of weird illusion , that so many people couldn't be so deceived. But they are. The crazy ideas they have about what is going to happen to them and the country are so far from the truth,k in many cases the exact opposite of the truth as a matter of fact, that it just seems humanly impossible. Surely the truth would have broken through here and there but no it doesn't seem to have happened. trump said one thing, the media said he said the opposite, or Kamanla said he did or somebody that got heard by the media, total crazy lies and they were believed by those who heard them. I know the Left is cut off from the truth and that they won't go loking for other points of view on their own either, but still it's staggering to be faced with the stark reality of the delusion. Stuff in many cases we know the Left would enact if they had won the election are imputed to Trump. I'm dgoing to have to come back to this.
One of the women on The View went on a rant against Trump supporters, carrying on about how could we possibly have voted for this man who is an insurrectinist, an election denier, a felon of various tripes and so on, who is a fascist and a bully and I can't remember the rest and probably even got some of this wrong, but we all know the general list of complaints. You'd think by now they would at least know how we would answer it but apparently they don't even know that much.
Start with: he isn't guilty of any of that, and all that stuff is just lies to smear his character. We should probably spend more time trying to get across the answers but in any case the list doesn't really affect us, it's just the usual craziness from the Left.
Unfortunately they do believe their lies and trumped up criminal indictments. Oh and don't forget the fake impeachmenets. Maybe a few took all that seriously but more didn't. I won'der if we can ever get back to taking seriously what all that used to mkean, the real importaoat of impeachment, real rather than fake criminal charges. too bad to see it all get trivialized and meaningless.
They have a fake Trump in their heads. The problem is they don't mind saying things that could provoke someone to try to kill him. It's pretty clear that god is protecting him and I know a lot of us are proaying for him so even all that malevolent murderous hysteria is just going to keep fizzling out into puffs of hot air. There's a provergb in the Bible about hos a curse can't succeed unless it is deserved, and their curses are not deserved. I've been counting on that one.
The saddest thing remains, to my mind at least, that half the country continues to be sealed off from the truth. There are so many layers of lies enveloping them it woulud take enormous work to begin to undo it. They have a hard time even understanding that there would be one real lie shaping their thinking. The very idea is just dismissed as conspiracy weirdness. they'll even defend the removing of people who are sccuesed of spreading "misinformation " on social media despite it's being such a blatant denial of freedom of speech that used to be taken for granted in this country. They'll rationalize it as necessary for the protection of the prublic against believing something that culd hurt them. good grief. Highly credentialed doctors were kidcked off social media for daing to mention that there might be a problem with Covid vaccines, or that some of the repurposed drugs like Hyudroxychloroquine and ivermetctin actually worked. both of which are the truth while the excuse to ban them was the real imisinformation, but do any of tem know that yet?
Well, we have Trump in office now, that shuld help although as usual he'll be targeted in a million ways by the forces of evil the other side thinks are reall good. I've done a lot of praying recently. Guess I'll be doning a lot more.
Need to add: Joe Rogan's interview of Trump was censored by the powers that be on the excuse that "it waasn't trending>' What a ridiculous excuse. The biggest podast on the itnerenet withthe Presdient elect of the USA iand it wasn't trending? They don't even bother to rtry to make sense. A He mentioend that to Elon Musk during that itnerview. I thought it might be put up after the election but so far I can't ffind it.
Just looked again. It's there. On You Tube. Yahoo. Obviously they didn't want it to affect eh election so I guess it didn't. We didn't need it. but now I cn watch it at least.
Trump wanders all over the map when he talks and it takes forever for him to get back to the question he was asked, though pretty much he does get back to it. Nevertheless he knows what he is talking about and I hope he has a chance to do what he knows needs to be done.
Monday the eighteeneth had to add this url somewhere. leftist economist carring on in his leftist way that wcould cdrive me incsane. We need dialogue, debate but not formal debate, discussion. ideas being considered and answered carefully. Instead of this flat out declaration of a point of view tithout without any response from either one side or the other. I think this guy is living in a weird la la land but I can't answer him.
https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=https%3a%2f%2fwrichard+wolff+trum
Thursday, November 7, 2024
God Isn't Finished With Him Yet
God had mercy on us in this election for sure, thank You Lord, thank You thank YOu, yet for a long whiolele I couldn't get confinced. I kept thinking this isn't going to hold, no matter how many called it for Trump, no matter how good it looked for our team. I'm too used to the Left knowing how to pull off a fraud. But eventually I saw that we did indeed win and I shouldn't have distrusted god, which is really what that amounted to.
Swtill, I haven't had the strength to get into a celebretaory mood about it. Certainly I'm happy but it's not a big enthusiastic kind of happy. It's more like releif. Huge huge releif. Relif that the cou ntry isn't going to be destroyed beyond reportair imemmediately at least. I know our enemies aren't going to stop though so there is no resting on laurels here.
Somehow the Left hads t to be brought to see how wrong they have been so they can sto p being our enemies. They have to be brought over to the true side of American democracy, the true patriotism. I think that's the next job for Trump supporters. Trump is going to make the country prosperous again, strong again, safe again, but the rest of us hasve to go to work to bring us all together again.
Soon as I say that I realize it's impossible. And what we really need, desperately need, is a Christain revival. As the American framers knwew, as Joyhn Adams said, our form of government is inadequate for any but a moreal and religious people. That's what we need more tnan anyuthing else.
Here's a good one at You Tube: Why Trump Won With Victor Davis Hanson
I think I'll atdd Bret and Heather today too as their podcast is all about the election and they coer the spectrum of issues. One thing I've seen in many places including in their podcast is the repott that every county in th country shifted red at least to some small extent and nowhere was there a shift to blue. even if the red didn't overcome the blue the fact of the shift is hugely important. The country is getting sane again.
Election 2024: Rescued Republic? The 250th Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying
Here's a discussion of how the Left is going to wreak vengeanonce for the Trump win:
The Enemies of Liberty “Will Not Go Quietly into the Night" (From Panel at the @danubenstitute)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7nRZqBOCyA
It Takes a Potemkin Village: The 251st Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying
Tuesday, November 5, 2024
I Love Elon Musk
watching him on Joe Rogan. Thank You Lord for Elon Musk. And Joe Rogan too for that matter since he iterviews a lot of peoiple in great depth we need to hear that way.
Loveusk for hving a hat that says Make Orwell Fiction Again. Wow, what a great slogan.
he says if Kamala wins they'll take down X, his version of Twitter. I hope not but he probably knows the truth about that. After he sacrificed a lot to save us from the cCancel Culture he could lose it all.
Have mercy on us Lord.
This is a source of all kinds of exposure of the evil of the left. Wonderful if many peop.lele watch it.
Joe Rogan Experience #2223 - Elon Musk
This is voting day for those who haven't yet voted. As Musk says in this interview, vote like your life depended on it, because it does. If you are a conserfative especialy but they aren't going to leave the libeals lalone either.
Sunday, November 3, 2024
AClouA Cloud the size of a fist, a smoking flax, a flickering falme of revival can it be?
Some people these days seem to be thinking ether is a Christian revivla going on. It's not my idea of a revivial but it is a kind of revival and could be toward the kind I khave in mnd if it holds up. It comes off discussions like the one I just posted on with Holland and Murray and Meyer, where Christianity is being rediscovered as the foundation of western civilication, and there seems to be a more generally positive attitude toward it than we'd been seeing in the new atheist movement that followed on nine eleven.
They point to various people who have personally turned to Chrsitainity recently too, such as Ayaan Hirisi Ali and russell Brand, someone I'm not familiar with, and others. So far as I've gone on this rack it does seem to be mostly focused on societal ills and our need to find solutions to them, although a theme of personal discontent and even despair keeps coming up too.
What I want of course is a Holy Spirit outpouring which knocks people flat on their faces for hours on end, riveted to the floor and to the church environment wfor starters wshere it usually comes about but I suppose it doesn't have to. Certainly a lot of people have bveen praying fo ryears for revivial and this intellectual change of mind and heart I'm now hearing about could be the first move in that direction. You can't very well knock people flat with the Holy Spirit who don't have the foggiest idea what chrfistianity is all about or who the Holy Spirit is or what to do with such an experience, so it makes sense that god would ease us all into a true revival by first geting people to think hard about the Bible's teachings and the differenct worlviews we have been living under for so many decades. People are discovering that the moral basis of the west is very Christain and that's a very good thing because it is, and getting aback to the root of it would save the eweatst .
This upcoming electgion makes it particularly urgent . I hope the good guys win of course but even if we do something more is drastically needed if we aren't just to fall back into the mess we've been in for so long and that threatenes to get worse fi the bad guys win. Certainly if they win we will even more desperately need a Christain revival if there is any hope of keeping America and the wetst in general from sinking into the totalitarian swamp.
As the prophecy ministries say a lot these days, it may be that we are simply at the very end and we won't have a revival, we'll just see the Church raptuered and the world go into the Great Tribulation and jesus come back to reign. Well, God's will be done bur t I would like to see a bgreat awakening foirst in which millions come back to God, and THTHEN those who won't will be the only ones left.
I hope thi is what they think it might be. Let it be the opening wedge of a great great revival Lord, please please please.
Christian revival: Fantasy or reality? - UnHerd LIVE
NOTE: THE URL goes to the last part of the discussion so you have to set it back at the beginning yourself. Sorry about that, I do try to get it to start at the right place but I don't succeed at that.
Listening back to this as I always do again I hnote my many typeos abut also again I note that some of them are not my own errors but something imosed on the text by some alien entity, perhaps a bug in the software. It keeps turning the world revival into Revivial and Christian into Christain. It changes one form of a word into another form of it so that the sentence is not grammatical. yes this is the kind of thing that could be a type by me but I just happene to know that in most cases it isn't.
guess it doesn't do me h good to complain about it but who knows maybe it could.
Late Sunday
I don't want to start a new post although I'll be going somewhat off topic. In my usual wanderings around You Tube I've been running across more of the discussion of religion by unbelievers, mostly from those who are positive toward it such as Peterson and Murray, but the main context is not the religion itself but social conflict. This is particularly pronounced in the UK where Murray keeps tring to deal with the problem of the alien Muslim culture which has invaded that culturally Christain nation.
It's a frustrating discussion. The mindset that could have allowed or promoted the influx of so many Muslims is either naive to a degree of obtuseness I can hardly fathom, or malevolent to an equally incomfprehensive degree in the other direction. That is the question of how it could have happened in the first place but now we have the same twwo alternatives in the rationalizations in defensvee of the rightness and googdness of this influx of a totally alien and vixiously antiChristain ideology. ANaive or malevolent the midnleset is THE most destructive force in the western world today. It's Marxism, its wokeness, it's that area of thought some have been calling HyperChristianity beause it purports to be the defender of the poor and downcast which is of course a legacy of CHristianity. But what they are calling the poor and downscast is really criminal and hostile and they cant't tell the difference or they simply deny it, are blind to it. it's practically the formula for destroying western civilication civilization. That we actually have to treat this mentality as a reasongable point of vie w to be debated in polite company is already midnd boggling. Is this the definition of insanity?
It's what the Left is doing and wants to do more of and justifies as ritght and good. Sheer insanity.
We don't know how to fight it, thay always have righteous toned answers to hurl at us, all in the service of keep ing the evil flowing in unchecked.
This hopeless situation is what makes God's intervention in a great revival the only possible answer.
Yes when good is called evil and evil is called good, as aggressively as they are doing today, how is it possible to stop the torrent of evil that is engulfing us? Who would ever have thought it could happen this way? they sound utterly crazy those college students who are debating against Charlie Kirk, or those leftists who are taking on the Trump supporters, so self righteously adamang about something that is pure evil apparently without a speck of doubt. I could review the issues but I dn't have the stomach for it at the moment.
Monday morning:
I hope the URL at the obottom of this section goes to the beginning of the talk but it may not and you'll have to reset to the beginning yourself.
This is an interview by Douglas Murray of someone whose name I keep forgetting, gilling I think is the last name, who has written on the subject of the beneficial effects of colonialism, which of course has earned him all sorts of hatred and threats from the Woke Left who so pricde themselves on their compassion.
His view is that colonialism byu the ewest wasn't for the sake of conquest and subjugation of the conquered peoples but held the view that the peoples were deserving of something better than they had, which the west has. They need to be lifted out of their backward state into civilization and all its benefits and they were regarded by westerners as equals rather than as inferios which is how the left mischaracterizes western colonialism. Of course there will always ebe indiiduals who don't share the dominant philosophy but overall it was a benefolent attitude and not a subjugating attitude the wewst carried to the peoples it came to oversee. Yes the idea is that western civilization is superior and the tribal peoples inferior as far as their culture and circumstances go but their human nature is the same as everyone else's and culture can be improved. This of course the left vilivies as egocentric when it is nothing of the sort. The very idea of anything being superior to something else , except of course their own point of view, angers them. they call it white superremacy and nazism and all those other epithets they throw around these days. This is the evil that calls itself good that I'm talkinga bout above. that is so aggressive and indignantly morally superior themselves it is hard to find a way to shosw them how they are wrong. In fact it is impossible.
So I think Gilling makes the right argument but wshat is left out of the discussion is the fact that the attitude the west carried to its colonized peoples was a Christain one. There is no white supermreamcy, or scultural supremacy in the sense the left throws at us, not at all, it is Chrsrist who is superior to everything and everybody and we have benefited from Him and wnat to share Him with everybody else. So that they can benefit too, be lifted out of their fallen miseries to enjoy peace and propsperity and liberty along with the west.
This is what the Left wants to kill, Christianity itself, whether they know it or not, with their so called hyperChristianity which isn't any kind of Christianity at all.
this is such good stuff which like all the really good stuff in the world today and especially in the west isopposed by the Marxist Wokeist Evil it hardly stands a chance of being heard at all, being subject to immediate cancellation ssas "misinformation" and the like, let alone being used to better the world as it should be used. It is heartbreaking to understand what is really going on in the world with all these incidents of the war between good and evil which the evil side seesms to be winning everywhere. Listen oto it all if you can. The curtain is either going to come crashing down soon in which case you won't be able to find it again, or God will intervene and save us. I don't see any ohther alternatives and although I hope and pray for the latter I have no feeling of optimism abou tiit.
Uncancelled History with Douglas Murray | EP. 02 Colonialism
Saturday, November 2, 2024
The God Question Revisited
Listening again to the discussion at Uncommon Knowlege with Steven Meyer, Tom Holland and Douglas Murray that was the subjet of my previous post, I have a lo9t less of the feeling that they are spiritually close to the truth than I had then and more of the feeling that they are lost in the usual errors of fallenness. I'm happy that Tom Holland has discovered the abiding influence of Christianity on the west and he's quite right about that, and I like Murray's willingness to take Christianity seriously and of course I'm happy with Meyer's views becaus he is the only true Christian there.
But Holland says some very odd things such as that Christianity contains within it a tendency to atheisim. Partly he gets this from his assumption that Roman Catholicism is a genuine Christian experession which in its inception was revolutionary. Why he thinks that I don't get at all. But that's because I know Romanism to be the apostate deviation from the true Christianity of the early Church, usurpinjg its place inte world and ushiering in the Antichrist along with all the pagan religi8ous baggage of the Roman Empire and its legacy from babyolon. The Reformation was a return to the true biblical Christainity of the early Church, it was no trend toward atheisims at all. It was a recovery to of the truth from the pagan accretions and distortions of Rom. e What the atheism of today is, which does contain the hyper Christian morality against Christianity they impute to it, that is just the fallen mind reasserting its native atheism now laden with the cultural baggage of Christainity, against God. It's atheism and it's fallenness, the Christain aspect of it is pervasive and inescapable but it is nevertheless just an overlay.
Murray says a return to the original faith is not possible for many in our time and he's one of them, due to so many philosophical influences that have grown up in the ewest over the last century or so, and I'm not really sure how he finds that an impediment to faith in heimself. But then I'm on the other side of the line and to me it's just a simple matter of believing what the scripture says. If you can take it seriously at all surely you can believe it as written, as history told by trustworthy witnesses. I don't see why not, but then I'm no longer where I was before I was a believer and it didn't look easy to me then and I guess that's where a lot of people are.
It's a matter of truth. Dawkins has that right, we believe what we are convinced is true and his problem is hethinks we believe on other grounds. Mainly that we are irrational and believe what we want to believe. The way some poepole think we must beleive just because it's comforting. I suppose some do or think they belive for that reason. Ayaan Hirsi Ali explains her own believe tf that way, but for me it is because I came to understand that it is true. I don't think I could accept itj as a mere comfort. And besides, I don't think it weever was for me a comfort. I didn't necessarily like it at all at first. I likesd some aspects of it that I discovered in some writers such as a few of the Catholic mystics, but I didn't like Martin Luther at all at first. Little of it appealed to me emotionally excpet the idea that God exists, and that was a powerful influence, it made me happy beyhond happy to think God exists. I'm not even entirely wusure why it made me so happy but I do know that is what made me happy.
It was later that I finally took the gospel itself seriously the fact of the need for salvation and what God did to save us. And for that I think scripture is very clear. Jesus did rise from the dead and many saw Him alive after His death. That's all the evidence needed. It's all there, there is no reason to doubt it. Jesus even goes out of His way to make the point that we dhshouldb believe the witneses when He gives Thomas the direct evidence he needed. If we believe the resurrection there should be no difficulty in believing all the other supernatural parts of the story.
I'm not all tht inspired by the science questions that Steven Meyer finds so important in determining the reality of God. I'm interestinged in the smaller scientific observations I've listed here many times recently because I think they prove evolution to be false, and I suppose you can go from there to the reality of God easily ienough but that hasn't ben my frame of reference.
Does God Exist? A Conversation with Tom Holland, Stephen Meyer, and Douglas Murray
I'm still bvery taken with this quote by someone Roger I think he said, about climbing this dimly lit stairway which is our life and suddenly coming upon a window thgouth which we catch sight of another and brighter world, a world to which we belong although we cannot enter it... \\
I had experiences like that and so do many others, before becomeing a bwliever. It didn't make a believer of me and may not for the others either.
Later . Just ran across another interview with Tom Holland where he makes it excruciatingly clear that he think sthe Roman Church represents a revl;lutionary expression of true Christainity, and he even includes the papacy as part of this wonderful revolution. Ouch. this is so wrong it hurts.
JHe sees cycles of revolutionary cleansings of society followed by decay followed by renewal of the reformation in cleansing. this is so wrong it takes my breatha away.
Holland on the Great AwokeningLater Just
later: I didn't quite say what this so called hyperChristainity means. It's a reference to the woke trend going on now, the antishite racism, the transgender stuf etc. The idea is that these ideas make use of a sort of Chrsitian morality against Christianity, and I think that's true enough and a good obeservation. That was also the case with the moveme4nts of the sixties, gay rights and feminism for instance, later gay marraige. The moral attitude is definitily Christian, this concern about rights of minorisites, th last legitimate expression of which, if I may say so, ws the Civil Rights movement of the sixties. None of these other movements has anythign Christian about them at all . In fct it strikes me as ver odd swhen people critidize them as not being Christian in the sense that they have no concept of forgiveness. That's certainly true but that's not the place to start to criticize them for not being genuinely Christian. The point is that these are all violations of biblical moraltiy in one way or another and therefore there is nothing Christain about them whatever. Even feminism although that has genuine Christain aspects to it, is not Christain in the form it started taking in the sixties with the Marxism framework that took it over. But you can't call anything Christain that demands rights and freedoms for what the bible clls sin. Without even referencing the bible though you can point out that the idea that abortin is a right is indefensible just because no sane societ would call murder a right. They have to completely obscure the fact that it is murder in order to carry on about "reproductive rights' and all that inasanity. But you don't ned to point to the Bible to say that murder is not a right.
Friday, November 1, 2024
Some Seriour Thoughts by Unbelievers on The God Question
Wonde4rful things pop up on You Tube fairly frquently despite its being a leftist bastion of cancel culture and wokeness and all that craziness. I can't navigate anywhere else so I'm stuck here but grateful for how much really good stuff comes up nevertheless.
Theatest I just litened to is a \n episode of Uncommon Knowledge with guests A\Douglas Murray, Tom Holland and Steve oh drat I keep forgetting his name. But all three of them are deep thinkers and whatever they say is rivieting. For me anyway.
This one is The God Question and each of these men has written a book relating to this subject. All have conlcluded to one degree or another that Christianity is the philosophical cultural foundation of wester civilization, even having coming from points of view that would put them at odds with such a conclusion.
Theyreno belivers and talk about Chrisitanity ass a body of concepts. They addresss the question of how theis perspective relates to the question of belief. I keep wanting to argue with them about this or that, particularly with Tom Holland, because they miss the whole point of belief. They do know this though and that's important.
To summarize, they see how the moral framework of estern culture is thoroughly Christain even though belief in the resurrection is not necessarily part of that.
It's a great discussion even if I think they go offf the rails here and there.
Toad the end someon quoted someone, I don't believe in God but I miss HIm. Apparently they can relate tot aht feeling. I remember something like that feeling myself from the years before I became a believer. I was a pretty committed atheist but I did from time to time have to admit that I felt a pang of loss from the time I gave up my pretty shallow childhood believe in God about the age of Ffifteen. A pang of loss but I became an atheist. For the next thirty or so years. I well remember the first Christmas I experienced in church hafter becomeing a believer, sitting there hearing the old carols sung and actually believing them and knowing their meaning for the first time in my life, tears streaming down my face.
Why can't they believe in the resurrection? It seems an odd sort of stubbornness to me. The disciples themselves didn't believe in it either at first but their coming to believe it by witnessing Him alive ought to carry some weight with readers of the account. They saw Him alive. He even appeared to do called doubtingg Thomas. Then he believed too. It's all there. They are honest people.
These are highly intelligent men and men of ddeep feelings too. Very touching.
\Does God Exist? A Conversation with Tom Holland, Stephen Meyer, and Douglas Murray
Just want to add a couple remarks I remember from the discussion. Both might have come from Douglas Murray but I'm not sure. All of them agreed with the sense of strangeness of Christianity. I thought that was an interesting observation. Yes there is a strangeness to it and certainly to unbelievers committed to the contemporary secular mindset. The other remark I remember was the poignant statement that everyone has had an experience like looking out a window at an entirely different world and feeling That is my true home. Yes.
Wednesday, October 30, 2024
Dawkins on Religion Again
IBest of Richard Dawkins against Religion (youtube.com)
Going to try to answe r Dawkins again without the intemperate rant. I think that URL above goes to the same video , at least I haope so because capturing URLs is not easy for me.
As usual it all starts out with his claim that faith is belief in something without evidence, and as usual my answer is that it simply isn't so. I really don't think anyone believes anything without evidene. It may be bad evidence but you always have some kind of evidence for whatever you accept as true. Anyway, faith as he is thinking of it comes from Christianity and is of course the strongest concept we use in discussing what we believe. I sue the term myself as my own psedonum here. But my believe in the God of the bible and in the teachings of the Bible, and in my dsalvation through the death of Christ on the cross, which I believe in by faith, is all baed on the evidence given by the witnesses in the Bible and the witnesess of the Bible itself as a collection of testimonies attributed to the inspiration of God Himself.
Why Dawkins doesn't think of witness evidence as evidence I don't know. I believe in tghe resurrection of Christ becaues it is reported in the Bible by people who claim to be wyweyewitnesses of the life of Jesus, and who report on other witnesses of His life and of His appearing after His death. All this is evidence whther you think it is good enough evidencde for you or not. If your cousin told you he syw a bobcat in the woods and narrowly escaped and you never saw a bogcat would you not believe him anyway? Wouldn't it be a basis for taking it as reality?
We knw a lotof thigs this way. but we certainly have to know the revelations of the Bible this way because we have no other way of knowing it. It's all intin the past and we can never see it ourselves. Some of ti is outside our normal experience, supernatural , and that askes a lot of us to believe it, but we believe it because we count the witnesses to be trustworthy. If you don't you don't, I can't help that, but I do and for me the ressurection is very real and my salvation based on it trustworthy.
And I don't have faith in the boiling temperature of water for pete's sake. I can measure that. Or any other question that can be dealt with by the method of observation and experience, the scientific method. Good grief.
Then we have his remarks on biblical morality as he objects to stoning people for adultery and death for breaking the sabbath without regard to the biblical context which of course escapes him completes. Laws for the ancient Israelites had a specif purpose of keeping themj separate from the peoples around them and protecting the integrity of the population of God's chosen people. Christians wer not subject to those laws, they were for the Israelites only. We ave are subject to eh Ten Commandments because those are universal laws but we are not subject to those given to the Israelites for the purpose of identifying them with the true God. Since the people wer e prone to wander off into the mindset of the surrounding nations they sometimes had to be brought back harshly. Bug t askdide from theat adultery threatened the cohesiveness of the group and had to be punished severely. The Sabbath had farreaching implications concerning the nature of God and His promise of the Messiah to come, breaking the law of respecting the prmomise was a very serious thing, and it isn't that it could be violated inoocently, the death sentence for breaking it was well known so there was no expecuse. There is also reelation of the mind of God on these thigns, what He considers to be of great importance, which we too are to take seriously even if we are not under the lolaws as the Israelites were.
I'm not very happy with that paragraph but oh well, on we go.
He goes on to say how he liekes our modern morality, for instance that we are rid of slavery, women are treated as equals with men, we favor gentleness in general and being kind oto animals and so on. He has zerio idea that this all comes from Christianity. He thinks it is a secular achievement. Slavery used to be universal throughout the world, may cultures depended on it economically and there was no opposition to it. To oppose it under those circumstances would have accomplished nothing but the rebellion of the pepole or at least the leaders. SlAvery couldn't have been effectively opposed until modern times and when it finally was it came from Christianity. The west was finally freed sfrom slavery but it still remains entrenched in the rest of the world. It is a Christian achievmenet and Dawkins is completely wrong about history. Same sith equality for women. Jesus liberalized relations with women and that became the basis for its eventual accewptance in modern times. Again only in the west. Same with kindness to animals and kindness in generl. All from Christ.
He aparently thinks that secular morality and rational thought somehow exist apart from the Christainity that pervades the west but aththat is his big mistake. It all derives from Christaintiyh. Ayaan Hirsi Ali understands this which she touches on beriefly in the previous post.
Then he goes into his hatred of the doctrine of original sin which he considers to be highly immoral and demeaning. Funny when I first understood it I wa thrilled by it because to my mind it explains all kinds of things in our lives that otherwise don't get exlainsed, all the suffering and hatred and violence and war and etc etc. but I take the Bible as revealing universal truths, dawkins takes it as being the wordk of fallible humanity so he thinks we can just do away with it and make up our own morality.
I'm not at all happy with this post but it's the best I can do right now. I think I'll end it by saying that I think Richarc d Dawkins needs to engage in some empirical science to get a better nderstanding of what is really going on with religion. If for instance he learned something about how Chrsitain children perform in science I'm sure he'd be forced to admit that there is no difference in how they perform than unbelieving children, that includeds strictly homeschooled Christain chidlren. They are taught the scientific method like weveryone else.
the only difference is that evolution is not science in that scense, it is hosistorical science that can't have the absolute certainty we get from the hard sciences. they don't even have witness evidence for their supposed facts concerning the change from ne species to another, ti's all speculative, all conjecture and thee evidence as I've tbeen trying to show in many recent posts is just not there at all.
but now I'm going to end this very unsatisfactory post.
Later . I have to add here that I just went back and listened to some of the Ayaan Hisrsi Ali interview and want to emphasize that I think it's an extremely good discussion about how the west and all our institutions and philosophies are shot through with Christain principles. They refer to a gook by Tom Hallond I'm not familiar with but apparently he developes this theem and I'd like to be able to read it. But the discussion alone is very good and I want to promote it for anyone who is interested.
GoGoing Down Under the Avalanche of Lies, or Will God Have Mercy on Us
The entire Harris side of the election is built on lies, absolutely every word of it. It's staggering. How do they live with themselves. And lies could win the elecrtion and plunge the nation into a dark ages most naive Americans have no way of imagining.
I don't think most Democrats or liberals could really be in favor of what their party actually stands for but if all they are hearing is lies they may well be deceived into voting for them anyway, and that is the big problem we have now. How to get the truth to the liberals. There seems to be no way to do that. They are in the habit of trusting the usual sources and won't even think of checking out sources that might oppose them. I ran into this recently with two liberals who were trying to convince me that Google wouldn't have intentionally interfered with my blog because I'm a conservative as i told them, no they have must simpler explanations, inocent explanations for why I'm having the problems I'm having. The kind of problems one has in the old ckind of America swhere as a general rule we could trust both sides to be basically honest. That is not the case any more and they have no idea that it isn't. I certainly can't persuade them otherwise, they have a mountain of information they trust on their side. That it is misinformation isn't cgoing to occur to them without many encounters with evidence and that isn't going to happen because they don't expose themselves to it. They are convinced the misinformation is on the other side so why should they spend any time investigating it?
So it's up to God. Well it isn anyway. Will He have mercyh on us or not? Does He want America to go down now? Or will He give us another chance?
Have mercy on us, Lord.
Monday, October 28, 2024
Ayaan Hirsi Ali
Sunday, October 27, 2024
Bret Weinstein and Brandon Strat
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Leave No American Behind: Brandon Straka on DarkHorse (youtube.com)
Trying to et the right URL I got the three above and I'll have to try to sort them out carefully sometime. At least one of them goes to the middle of the video, I don't know if any go to the starting point of the video.
Anyway. Brandon Strat is the founder of the Walkaway movement which consists of people who feel disenfranchised by the Democratic Paty and left it, although they don't all nevcessarily to to the same place. Strat himself has pretty much joined Trump but seems to have some rservations about that too.
Bret Weistein has done his own alking away but I find him less easy to understand or agree with than Strat. He's still too much of a liberal for me, his reasoning just comes from some other place than minde andit's hard to get into his.
He still doesn't get MAGA meaning the last A because his focus is all on how America has failed with racial issues. Strat says he doesn't see it that way but as getting back to a time when Ameria was prospecerous and enjoyhing our liberties or something like that. I'd agree with that but when I think of being great again I thik mostly of the Greatest Generation, the fact that Amerida has always been a generous good force in the world, helping our enemies rebuild after war being part of that. That's the kind of greateness I'd like ot see us get back to , but also the propsperity and especially the times when we felt safe and trusting of our neighbors and left our doors unlocked. That America is long gone since the Left took over.
And Weistein doesn't swant Strat to identify the Left as the prolblem but I agree with Strata and hoepe he doesn't change his mind about that. I get bBret's problem that he still identifies with that word but to my mind the Left just now has come to stand for all the bad stuff. If he wants to hold onto Liberal I can handle that one, but no, Left belongs to the stuff i want to get rid of.
It's always good to have da discussion about these things anyway and maybe Bret's views will start making more sense to me if I hear more of them.
Just a Little Rant Against dawkins and the other antireligionists, and against the Left
I am cancelling this post because I was way too intemperate. And
And I spologize to Mr. dawkins for my insulting remarks.
IBest of Richard Dawkins against Religion (youtube.com)
Authenticity and Believability
The idea that we must believe something in order to be saved, which is taught in the Bible, doesn't sit well at all with the atheists out there. There is something suspicious about the idea of belief or fatih to them. Dawkins is always saying that faith simply means belieivng something for which there is no evidence. I keep answering that no, the evidence is there and it is witness evicdence, which iis the only kiind of evidence you can have for something that occurered only onece which you weremn't there to see for yourself. Jesus Himself is to be known only by faith because it is impossible for anyone to meet Hims today. All the events and peroplld ofthe Bible are knowlable only by faith.
And they are knowlable. That word is appropriate enough. Wek know many things by witnesse evidence alone that we can't witness ourselves. Most of our knowledge ois of this kind. But when it comes to the supernatural claims of the bible in particular, that's where they get all fidgety and annoyed and try to dismiss it all as fiction because there is no way for any of us to witness it now.
But th whole thing from Genesis to Revelation is kowlable only by faith. All the people are dead and all the events are in the past. All we hae is the words of the people in the bible that any of it happened, or the bible itself presenting them as real. So of course they have to bring the Bible into doubt and disrepute if they simply cannot entertain the idea of a miracle for half a second.
That way of course they stand no chance of ever believing in Miracles unless God grants them one of their very onewn and tchances are they won't believe that weither beause they can always interpret it out of existence as a miracle, or ir not always then certainly most of the time, by doubting their own perceptions, suppossing it to have been a neuropsycholgoial experience rather than real and that sort of thing.
Futile it for John to write his gospel with the aim of giving evidence "that you may believe" since they will doubt the very existence of John among other things. Who is this John anyway?
There really isn't any point in trying to discuss these thins with someone who discounts any or all of it as possibly fictional because there really isn't any way to prove that it's not. It's a matter of judgment. You either have an ear for the truth or you don't. Fallen humanity is born into this world, acording to Christian understanding, lacking the faculty of spiritual discernment, it having been lost at the Fall when our fistrst parrents disoveyed God. We are all born dead in that way, unable to know God. We may or may not logically decide that a God must exist but there is nothing in our nature to require it of us. to actually discern God requires the regeneration of the faculty of the spirit in our natures, requires, in orther words, being born again. Without that we are confined to what we can know through our senses and that keeps us tethered to the physicla universite. this is why science deals only with the material world and why it is so common for people to seek physicalistic interpretations for spiritual things. Such as to say that it must be neuropsychological. everything is physical to the fallen mind. It all originates in phsycial reality. that is the basis of evolutionary theory too of course. It all started with something physical happening in the primordial ooze, some coming together of atoms and molecules, an evlution itself is of coruse all a matter of physical beings making more physical beings, and thn in the end when they have to try to account for consciousness all they have is the physical and that's when we get all the fanciful notions about how it could arise from the physical. In sohort, again, it's all because the human rce is fallen. Fallenness is being relegated to the physical realm.
"The They are but flesh" God says I think in Genesis five or six, therefore He will not always strive with us. After the Fall we becmae "but flesh" unable to relate teo Him because He is Spirit. I think it was Watchman Nee who pointed out in something I read recently, or maybe it was Andrew Murray, that we are the only creature with the tripartite nature of body, soul and spirit. the animals have a body and a soul but not the spirit withich communicates with god. the angels and demons are pure spirit. But we are this unusual combination of matter and spirit. Or we were originally since at the Fall we lost the spirit, or it fell into a corrupted state, not sure hjow to think about that. It's "dead" however, acording to sciprture, and needs to be "quickened" by the new birth for us to be saved. Being saved is first o all being regenerated in our psirits so that we can apprehend god. We have to grow into it after being merely born into it again and that thakes time but it is in fact renewed in us and is the foundation of our salvation. We receive the Holy Spirit through this rebirth.
that is mre or less a side trip here though probably necessary. I mostly wanted to get into the futility of trying to confince a fallen person about the things of the spirit, to confince him or her about the truth of the Bible for istnace or the need for salvation. I know that God must do that work and that is because we can't, mere persuasion isn't going to accomplish anything you must be born again. yet they must hear it in order to be in a position to be born again. there's that too.
Most of the debates on these subjects I hear lately are frustrating because they are usually trying to compromise something to make the truth more accessibly to the fallen mind. TIt doesn' work but it continues anyway. Far better in my opinion just to state the flat facts as the bible presents them no matter how unpalatable to the fallen ear and leave it to God to sort it out.
There are parts of the discussion that do seem to be more or less amenable to simple locial arguent such as that it seems to me that the Biblcial presentation doesn't read like fiction to me at all or to other believers. Still the fallen mind will turn it into fiction even though it has none of the marks of fiction just beuase the content doesn't fit into their worldview. So even that little bit of argument doesn't go anywheresjere either.
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I keep frgetting to add my new email address that is managed by my daughter:
faithswindow@mail.com
Saturday, October 26, 2024
Ham n Nye Debate Continued: evidence for the Flood etc.
Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham - HD (Official) (youtube.com)
ye is saying that there isn't any evidence for th Flood. Well, tht's because they've coopted it to eovolution. the strata and the fossils are teh main evidence for the Flood. The strata are separate homogeneous layers of sediments, a sandstone here a limestone there a shale elsewhere and so on, all homogeneously a single sediment or single material of some sort such as conglormerate. Here and there. But mostly sedimetns such as sand and limestone. this fact of stacked layers of sediments fits with what water does, in deltas, at the shoreline etc. It has been demonstrated in the laboratory to occur in studies of fast moving wqater. It would have taken a n enormous amount of water to produce the enormously huge layers of sedimentary rocks that span many thousands of square miles, covering conteintens, and reaching highests in some cases of hundreds of feet. Fits a worldwide Flood very well.
and of course the enormous number of dead things ofossilized sithin those sediments fits with the biblical reason given for the Flood, to kill all things living on the land, except for the few saved on the ark. Besides land creatures of course a great humber of sea creatures also died but all the land creatures died while not all the sea creatures did.
thas prestty good evience for the Flood. And when the evidence is appreciated that these layers are undisturbed by normal tumults seen on the surface of the earth all the time, not occurring within the layers but only after they wer all laid down, that adds to the evidence picture of a short period of time for their laying down rather than even years let alone millions of years. They are also tabletop flat in their original horizontal position with razor edge sharp contact between the layers, which doesn't fit any slow processes of deposition we'd expect to see on the survfa e of the earth or at the bottom of the ocean.
'All that is pretty solid evidence for a worldwide Flood. and I'd also mention that the surface of the earth looks repretty tubmbled and swirled and tossed around which would also fit the Flood.
thenmeone askes the question how they reckon the timing of the drifting apart of the continents, and Ham says that Baumgartner hs studied that and that they generally see it as having started with the Flood breaking things up, which I'm glad to know because I came to that conclusion on my own as well. I think of it as occurring at the very end of the Flood and I did my own calculations about how fast it would have .... start over, how fast the continents would ahve started out drifitn g aapart because I figure they started out fast and slowed down over the last four millennia to their present rate. I can't read Baumgarten but I'm now interested to know what conclusion he came to anout all that.
Correction: He said Dr. Snelling as well as Dr. Baumgartner studied the tectonic plate movement
Propaganda takes Down Even Some of the Best
Glenn Loury seems to have read the nw book by this guy Coates, sorry I hear his name but it's too much of a blur for me to attempt to write it out, anyway he read it and was convinced by it that there is an apartheid ituation in Israel against the Palestinians and a basic injustice on th part of Israel against those people. This disburbs me in sutrn because everything I've heard puts the cause of the problems there squarely in the hands of the radical Islamists like Hamas and Hezbollah and clearly Coastes didn't take any of that into account but just repeated their own propaganda and apparently Loury accepted what he said at face value.
Over and over I hear how Hamas steals the food and other aid sent to help the Palestinian people in harm's way during this war is stolen and throw out by their leaders, by Hamas so tht the people go on strarving and suffering even when tone and tones of help is sent to them. And they pblame it on israel which has nothing to do with it except to try their best to help the people get what they need. Israel in fact is said over and over again to go to great extremes to proect the people from even their own attacks on Hamas, by making sure they are warned loudly and clearly of a particular raid they are planning so that they can escape the area. No other army does such things but Israel doeass.
as uses their own people as human shields, they won't let them get away. they set up their aresenals and headquarters in putlib places especially schools and hosptials where the most damage to the public could be done by Israel trying to target the leaders. So that if they do attack and some get killed it can be blames on Iaszrael and the Palestinians will aleways be the victims of Israel instead of Hamas. All fo the sake of propaganda against Israel. Hamas doesn't care one bit about their own people. they also routinely toss out figures of how many sewere supposedly killed in this or that operation by Israel as if it could all be counted within an hour of the event.
So Iraeldios their best to protect the people, to facilitate their protection, an aim only at the leadership. They may take out dozens of Hamas leaders and that too will be called civilican victims of Israel.
As for apartheid the Arab population within Israel proper has all the rights of any citizen. and if they keep to themselves which some do it is their own choice based on their own culturue and religion, it is not because of Isaraeli decisions.
Thisi what I har all the time. But Loury seems to beleive Coates instead.
zWe liv in a time of lies and propaganda running everythign in the world, and it's the good guys who are made the bad guys and the bad guys the good guys, good for evil and evil for good. that's what is going on in our election right now. Perhaps it would help if some of the liars got a tiny inkling that lying and plotting harm against teh innocent is not overlooked by god and that there will be justice against them in favor of their victims in the end.
zAfter listening back to this post once again I'm aware that ther is someone else or something else that is tampering whith what I write. I'm well aware of my own mistakes and I'm alwaso aware of making a special effort to get some words writght ubut the y are nevertheless altered in the final result. Speaking of targeiting innocnets. i'm a single elderly woman being targeted by who knownss what.
Friday, October 25, 2024
can't Stop Sketching Out that List of Evidences, Just Keep Going with it. Oh Well.
I need a new blog. Or help with this one. Or no, really what I need is a new set of eyes. I've asked the Lord for that, and the nineteenth century South african pator Andrew Murray says the redeemed should expect to receive healings as part of our salvation but we have to have the faith for it and I don't. I suppose that is the reason anyway, but maybe I could build up more faith if I prayed about it. But then again I never expected to live to this age and I don't kow why I'm still here. I don't seem to have anything I'm called to do expect write my blog.
I could probably just dither myself to death about such things.
I thinkthe arguments I've collectd against evolution are enough to kill the monster dead but if I can'yt make the arguments clear to people I'm just flailing around unselessly. Yes I could dither myself to death this way.
they really do think that the changes we see in every species from generation to dgeneration are evidence of evolution. I don't know how they can ohold onto that idea knowing what we know about how the genetic processes work but apapretly the simple fact that the phenotype or creature itself is seen to vary is enough for evidence for them. Dawkins didn't build in any form of restraint to his little figure that rolls from change to change and supposedly proves evolution. Coyne said the difference between the wolf and the chihuahua is proof of evolution. This astonishes me.
Ken Ham of course talks about the Kindsx as the basic forms of living things, each creted separately and unrelated to all the other kinds renetically. This is the creationist reference point. As Ham says we don't have to think about the many thousands of species evolutionists identify in the world today as having been on the Ark, since all we need o have on the ark is eighter two or seven of each creature Kind. All the species we see now would descend from those afger the Flood.
I think we need to make more of the fact that each Kind has its own genome. There is a human genome, and a cat genome and a dog genome and I think also a bird genome. thw genome defines the Kind and all the species of that Kind come from genetic variations built into the genome, the two alleles per gene and many genes per trait in most cases and so on. That is enough to make for all the different kinds of cats and dogs and birds and human hbeings. RThese different species emege in isolation from other populations, wthether through natural selection or just random selection and geographic isolation, whatever brtings about the inbreeding of a particular set of gene frequencies within an isolated population. That's all it takes. It's variation not evolution.
ther eis n way to get from any of these evolved species to anything other than another species of the same Kind if there is enough genetic variability left for that after a breed has been well established. All you can eve get is variations on the traits established by the genome to belong to that AKind and that's all you an ever get.
Or if they think you can get to another Kind or SPeicies that way they haven't yet demonstrated how they think this is possible. I've speent a lot of time tring to think that through and enver been able to come up iwth a way it could be possible. Outside the genome as it were or maybe that is the wrong way to put it. You have to change the trait itself not just the variation of tht trait.
Back at EvC forum I was always being asked how do I define the Kind. Ham says it seems to be the equivalent of the Family on the Linnaean system. I don't think that is true for every Kind but for many. But I'ds want to define it as a shared genome. You can look at a genome and know whether it belongs to a human being or a dog or a cat, right? That's one way to define the Kind. Another way is the body plan. that hit me a few years ago as I relaized that even the very different looking birds have skeletons that are prettymuch identical, same proportions, same location of appendages etc.
And body plan doesn't vary, or varies only slightly, through all the manyu vaiaiont so fhte spearate traits that develope the many different breeds of dogs, cats, cattle etc etc. they all have the same body plan even if they are very different from each other in their general appearnace.
My main argument at EvC for years was that you get reduced genetic vqaariability when you are getting changes in the appaearance of a population. It is a trend, so it won't always show up in some obvious way, but it has to happen as getting new forms of a trait means losing the other forms of it. As you get a particular kind of fur for your bred you are losing all the other kinds. Eventually as the breed becomes refinesd you can lose ALL the alleles for all the other forms of a trait so that your breed is homozygous for all its salient traits. That is a very reduced genetic variability. You need heteroszygosity for variability.
Body plan and behavior too. Dogs all act like dogs, all of them they all bark and wag their tails and slobber all over you if they like you and mark their territory in the same way and sniff each other's behinds and all that. that is the dogness of dogs. Cats also have their own set of behavior s that identify them as cats.
So there you have some eaysways of identifying what a Kind is, that creature that was idndepently and uniquely formed at the Creation.
I can't remember if I'm leaving out some other parts of the biological picture that make for evidence against evolution.
But then there is the geological evidence which is against an Old Earth rather than evolution as such. If you ponder the physical facts of the layers of sedimentary rock in which the fossils are found it's not hard to realize pretty soon that they couldn't possibly represeent time periods of tens of millions of years which is what we are told . And I still enjoy Bill Nyr'd trbrlsyion Bill Nye's revelation that not only is there no fossil from higher levels found in lower levels but the same is true of the fossils in the lower levels. they don't "swim" up to the higner levels as he put it because he thinks of it as a problem for the Flood. Rally is t is a problem for evolution as even theyh don't think that when a creature evolved all the creatures that it evolved from just disappear, but that is the way it looks according to Bill Nye. Oops.
I'd like to sketch out the whole thing here and hope I'll get back to it but I'm ready for a break at the moment.
Later: So where as I?
The Kind is defined by its genome which contains the intstructions for that Kind in all its variations and no other Kind.
Whenever a breed or race is being developed, when phenotypes are changing the character of a population, that is always accompanied by a reduction in genetic diversity as the variations that do not fit the new breed or race are eliminated from the population over generations, and means that there is a natural limite to the changes that are possible down any line of so called evolution which is really just ariation. AThat means that evolutoin is brought to a halt exactlyh where it is asupposed to be particularly about to take off according oto the evolutionist argument.
Then we find that in the so called fossil record fossils lower in the stack of layers do not appear in layers above but if the layers did actually repreesent the time periods of tend of millions of years assigned to them by the theory of evolution all the creatures should persist through all the layers to present time that are now living in our own time on this earth, but according to Bill Nye this is not the case. We get a fish or sea animal in onwe layer and in the next layer we cget an amphibian and we say the second evolved from the firsrt but we get no more of the sea creature, it stops and onlyh the amphibian continues and only for that layer because in thelnext layer up whatever supposedly evolved form the amphibian is alone there without the ambphibian itself and so on, no reptiles with the mammals, no apes witht e humans and so on. This is not a picture of how evolution is said to occur so therefore the fossil record is bogus.
then I'd mention the erosion piles at the base of various formations such as the buttes in Monument valley where if they are supposedly millions of years old ovr even many thousands the erosion is way too little for that length of time. That's an argument for a young yearth instead of the millions or billions of years.\
Then the is the fact that the layers of sediments in which the fossils are found are clearly undisturbed in themselves while the entire stack of layers shows a lot of disturbance. That couldn't be if they each represent time periods of tens of millions of years. it is onlyh after they are all in place that we see the usual disturbances this planet is said to experience such as volcanoes and earthquakes and hurricanes and other things that would disturb the surface of the earth or even the sea bottom for that matter.
then there is the fact that if you just look at the layers and think about them you hae to conclude that they couldn't ever have been part of a time period of millions of years or any time period at all. they are made up of separate sediments which already makes no sense out of the idea that each occupied a particular time period. They are tabletop flat in their original laying down and that doesn't happen anywhere under normal circumstances of deposition, on the sea floor or on the surface of the earth or even perhaps some depth eneath the surface.
That do in the idea of time periods of millions of years and leae it open for a young earth.