Saturday, August 13, 2022

"When the Last Elect Person Believes"

That's when the Rapture occurs, when the Church is snatched away.  That's how John MacArthur puts it here"

The Rapture John MacArthur - YouTube

He's stating the position of the Pre=tribulation Rapture as I've heard it from all those who believe in it.

But isn't there a huge gaping problem with this idea?  Supposedly many will be saved during the tribulation that follows the Rapture, both Jews and Gentiles.  If the last elect person came into the Church just before the rapture, who are all those who get saved after?  

Something is wrong here, and this is just one of the problems I've bbeen having with the Pre trib position, although in saying that I'm not saying there's any other end times system that makes any better sense to me.  Most of the others are far less coherent than this one.    Nevertheless there are pro9blems with ti that I can't resolve.   I've mentioned a number of times the problem of the martyrs under the altar in Revelation Six, the fifth Seal.     How can there be martyrs waiting for the fullness of their number when the Rapture has already occurred which presumably would have taken all the martyrs of the Middle Ages?   Why have a separate group of martyrs that doesn't include those?  

Well, I don't have the answer, all I can do is ask the questions.  lThey lead me to wanting to push the Rapture further ahead into the tribulation or after it, but those answers only raise more problems to solve..     But still I keep coming back to this problem of the two different groups, it's still the biggest problem to me.  If the times of the Gentiles end with the Rapture how can there be millions of Gentiles getting saved after that?   They aren't elect?  How can that be?    

Later , about 5 pm:   Also, how can the "times of the gentiles" be ended with the pre-trib Rapture if there is still to come a gentil Antichrist representing the last of the four Gentile empires of the book of daniel, and the antichrist is to desecrate the Jewish temple?      the Church Age would be ended with teh Rapture burt  the Times of the gentiles relate to the Jewish temple, don't they?Of course there won't have been a Jewish temple for about two thousand years at the time of the Pre-Trib Rapture...

Otherwise it's a very satisfying coherent tsystem, bringing in the Seventieth Week of daneil in a specifically Jewish framework etc etc etc.  


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