Sam Harris and the atheist Refusal to Address what Christinaity actually Claims

I really really do not want to get far into this but it's hard to leave it completely alone. THing is I was skipping around You tube as I often do, inpursuit of comments on such things as evolution, debates and so on, and I wantdered into a thicket of atheists arguing against religion. All religions, as if they're pretty much all the same thing. the mainj one is sam Harris and I find it hard to listen to him because he misrepresents the whole hisrory so egregiously, and particularly Christianity. jesus was a carpenter who unfortunately managed to get himself crucified. ,br>
If he's going to talk about Christianity that way, how is it possible to talk about it at all? At the very least he should be required to respond to what the biblde itself actually says because that's what Christianity is, hot his ridiculouxs caricature.

Seems to me, in response to what Harris said, that the only way to talk to him would be to insist on what the bible says and on the orthodox theology that explains what it says. And just require him to respond to what it actually says and claims. It claims that Jesus is God incarnate. You can spell out the accounts of that. What can he say but that he just doesn't believe that. That's really all he's going to be able to say to anything the bible claims. well, we believe what it says and what he reduces it to is utterly irrelevant. Does h4e have anything to say other than that he doesn't beleive it and he thinks we're idiots for believing it? AProbably not. I think that's where the discussion ends.

Even TEven the Great Reset Can't Stand Against An Empowered Church. But We Aren't Empowered enough.

Who is this Philistine who dares to defy the armies of God?

We can be a Gideon Church, a Samson Church, an Esther Church, a Daniel Church or a David Church.

Speaking of satanic strongholds, the Great Reset is no doubt the biggest one we're up against these dqays. Instead of going back to my evolution arguments I would have expected to be inspired to pray against that one, but for some reason it's evolution in my case. And it's certainly true that if evolution got a black eye in our day among a great number of people that would go a long distance toward prying people loose from satan's domain and opening the door to Christ, so that's mmy focus as I keep plugging away against Darwinism.

but here's the most recent show by Jan Markell which is all about the Great RReset. And the thing that most moved me in this one is the clip toward the end of Naomi Wolf, leftist atheist I think, saying thast things are so evil these days she thinks it's beyond human evil into something satanic and if there's a Satqan there's a God. Yes indeed, the darkest times wake people up to God

https://rumble.com/v17vk6w-its-not-a-conspiracy-michele-bachmann.html

Think Big. No reason We Couldn't Pull Down the Stanic Stronghold of Evolutinon if we Stay Connected tgo the Vine

Seems a bit odd thta I spent two months immersing myself in things Christian from listening to my audio Bible to listening to Christian books online to prayying a lot more which can be exhausting, to lisening to hymns and so on, and then after two months of that I suddenly got back into my creationist arguments. Just out of the blue it seems I suddenly got inspid to write a Word document off the top of my head about as much of my arguments as i can put together that wawy. It had to b4e that way because *I can't see well enough to review what I've alreaddy written on the subject. And it was hardly an organized effort though at least in part I managed some organization.

Pangea

Watching geology videos lately. Watching them as a creationist means mostly that I have to ignore their dates or try to grasp the relative dates which may be accurate, that is, what preceded what. Their physical descriptions are pretty good I assume but interpretation is the problem. When they explain something tas caused by water it's not going to be the Flood so I have to think Flood where they are thinkinjg something else.

The idea of Pangea, the supercontinent that broke up from which all the current contine nts separated, is a useful idea. It was Alfred wegener who made the observations about how the continents had once been together, who came up with the idea of Pangea and that idea doesn't contradcit anything in the Bible so I'm good with it. I just have to reconsider the dating.

They usually have Pangea breaking up dsometime during the laying down of the Geological column, meaning the layers of sedimentary rooc,ls frp, from which they derive the order of the fossil record and evidence for evolution. Of course they have those layers forming over a few hundred mikllion years, but a creationist sees them as formed by the Flood of Noah in one year.

Because all the evidence I like to point to shows that all the layers wree in place before there was any appreciable disturbance on the Earth such as tectonic plate movement, volcanoes and so on, I put the splitting of the continents at the end of the Flood which is what laid down all those layers. There's room for discussion about the timing but it does have to be after ALL the strata were in place. It certqainly didn't occur during the laying down of the layers because there wouldn't be the neat stack of them we see in the Grand Canyon area, the Paleozoic in the grand Canyon and the Mesozoid and above in the Staircase to the north.

SCIENCE BAMBOOZLED

The whole Geological Time Scale is a farce. There are no time periods. There is no Cambrian time period, or Silurian or Devoniqan or Permian or Triassic or Jurassic. Years ago I drew a cartoon with several panels showing a straight horizontal line above which was a cartoon cloud and cartoon sun. I gave each the name of one of the time periods. They wree all identical, a straight line with a cartoon sky. The last panel was a cartoon picture of our own time showing hills and valleys rivers and mountains grass and trees with that same cartoon cloud and sun in the sky.

That's what the time periods are. Our own time is the only actual time period. All the rest are imaginative reconstructions fromn flat slabs of rock full of dead things that span gigantic areas of geography. that's it. It's all a farce. There is no Old Earth, it's a massive delusiohn.

tHE ONBLY POSSIBLE EXPLANATION FOR THE LAYERS OF ROCK THAT WERE FANASIZED INTO TIME PERIODS IS A WORLDWIDE WATER EVENT. gOLLY gOSH, THE fLOOD OF nOAH. iT KILLED ALL THE LAND LIFE AND MOST OF THE SEA LIFE AND THE EVIDENCE IS IN THOSE LAYERS OF ROCKI. tHAT'S WHAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO DO AND WE HAVE THE EVIDENCE.

eVOLUTIONARY bIOLOGY IS ALSO A bIG bAMBOOZLE, WHICH i ALSO PROVED YEARS AGO. tHE WAY WE GET DOMESTIC BREEDS IS THE SAME WAY WE GOT MOST OF THE ENDANGERED SPECIES. iT'S ALWAYS FROM SOME KIND OF SELECTION ALTHOUGH PROBABLY RARELY THE CLASSICAL nATURAL sELECTION. aLL SELECTION IS IS THE ISOLATION OF A PORTION OF ANY POPULATION TO BREED ONLY WITHIN ITSELF. tHAT'S ENFORCED IN DOMESTIC BREEDING, IT HAPPENS BY TRAGIC ACCIDENT IN ENDANGERED SPECIES, BUT ITS ALSO HOW ANY VARIATION IN THE WILD OCCURS. sOME MEMBERS OF A LARGE GROUP OF CREATURES GETS ISOLATED AND OVER SOME GENERATIONS OF INBREEDING PRODUCES A NEW PHENOTYPIC APPEARANCE. tHAT'S HOW WE GOT THE DIFFERENT POPULATIONS OF WILDEBEESTS AND EVERY OTHER ANIMAL THAT IS FOUND IN DIFFERENT FLAVORS IN THE WILDE.

tO GET THOSE VARIETIES, AND THEY ARE VARIETIES, IT'S GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH EVOLUTION, IT'S ALL BUILT INTO THE GENOME OF EACH kIND O, THE WAY YOU GET THEM IS BY THE LOSS OF GTHE GENETIC STUFF FOR DIFFERENT TRAITS. tO GET A BLUE WILDEBEEST YOU LOSE THE ENETIC STUFF FOR BROWN WILDEBEESTS. iT'S A PROCESS OF ELIMINATION AND IT'S WHAT SELECTION DOES AND YOU DON'T GET VARIATIONS UNLESS YOU ELIMJINATE WHAT ISN'T SELECTED. ,BR> i'VE ARGUED THIS A BAZILLION TIMES HERE AND ON THE FORUM AND ELSEWHERE. iT'S OBVIOUS. eVOLUTION MASSIVE
Later: Mutations are assxumed to make the difference, in fact mutqations are credited with having ceated DNA itself, gene by gene or base by base. Utter and complete fantastic nonsense. Even t3they admit they are mistakesw and that beneficial mutations are rare. In fact most so called beneficial mutations are simply assumed, made up, there's no evidence for them. Most are just rare combinations not mutations at all. Anyhway even if there were such a thing as a beneficial mutation, in order to get a new population with its own unituqe characteristics, you still have to have selection and it's selection that reduces the genetic variability and that is a killer for evolution.

Cheeky Crazy Lady Cretionist even argues with Other Creationists

Been watching some videos of Kurt Wise teaching on various aspects of the Flood. Just saw the one about sedimentology. Can’t copy the URL right now, maybe later. Lots of eye problems at the moment.

Wise thinks it was high velocity deposition that smoothed the top of the Great Unconformity. He also thinks that volcanism was going on during the Flood. He also thinks only the middle section of the strata wree laid down in the Flood, that beneath the Great Unconformity the rocks were pre-Flood, and at the top some rocks are post-Flood but I’m not sure where that section starts.

So far I haven’t heard him talk about exactly when he thinks’the Flood strata were deposited, that is, how long before the Flood started draining were they all in place.

I don’t understand how there could be pre and post Flood strata that look exactly the same in structure as the Flood strata, wree not laid down in the Flood. It just makes no sense to me. ALL of them had to be Flood deposites or none of them.

The high velocity deposition over the Great Unconformity is a very reasonable way to explain the flattening of the unconformity a as well as the erosion at that contact. It also explains the transport of the chunks of Quartite, one of which I mention in what I’ve already written. But I still like my scenario better. For one thing the Great Unconformity does stretch across the world, it’s not just confimed to the Grand Canyon area, as he points out, it’s even what underlies Siccar Point as I understand it though I may have that wrong. But then it has the tilted strata in place already before the high velocity deposition rushes in and lays down the strata above. Also, since that high velocity deposition lays down a sequen ce of very coarse to very fine cobbles and grains, I don’t see where that sequence is represented in the Grand Canyon. The sedimentary rock just above the Greqat Unconformity is the Tapeats sandstone, not a very coarse deposite. I must be missing something but I don’t know what. The quartzite boulders are found embedded in that sandstone.

Also I haven’t yet heard him discuss how the Great Unconformity got tilted etiehr, or how the igneous rocks got confined under the Tapeats layer. In my scenario the force that broke off the quartzitge, and in fact created it in the first place, was the tectonic movement that occurred worldwide and split the continents.. That’s what created the Great Unconformity and may have caused all the angular unconformities everywhere, not sure about that, but certqainly beneath the Grand Canyon. ,br>
He also hasn’t explained why he thinks there was volcanie activity during the Flood. This is where it matters when the strata were laid down, because4 on that cross section I’m so fond of we see a magma dike penetrating from the bottommost part of the area to the uppermost exposed part of the Grand Staircase. If it had occurred during the Flood, while the strata were being laid down, not yet all in place, the lava would have spilled out onto the durface of a layer somjewhere in the middle part of the column and would not have continued above that, or if it did we’d see some sort of displacement or distortion of the dike and at least on this cross section there isn’t any, it rises in one continuous movement from bottom to top. Also,br>
I suppose a high velocity flow could carry a great load of sediment up and over that rise into which the canyon is cut, but it just looks too evenly distributed for what I’d expose of that kind of movement. Surely some would collect at the start of the rise, create a different thickness, something like that. Of course we’re talking about a mere diagram but still that’s the sort of thing you’d expect to be illustrated. So I still like my scenario best:

The cross section makes clear what you can also see just looking into the Grand Canyon: the strata that are considered to represent time periods of tends of millions of years don’t show any of the disturbance one would expect to see on the surface of the Earth for any appreciably period of time let alone tens of millions of years. All the disturbance ot the column occurs after all the strata are in place. The only actual time period to be seen on the cross section or in rality is our own time period in which the Grand Canyon itself exists. There is no Grand Canyonj or even a convincing gully in any of the layers of rock that supposedly represwent millions of years of time. We have the canyons, the mountains, the rivers and so on, not one of the “time periods” shows any such disturbance. Again, ALL the disturbance to the column of strata occurs to the whole column as a unit, whether it is twisted into a pretzel, or split into an angular unconformity or broken into chunks or whatever. I’ve collected lots of evidence of this.

The Great Imcpmfpr,out jad tp jave beem fpr,ed after the F;ppd tpp. Mpt befpre as the estab;osjed theory has it. Whatever forces were involved in the Flood also split the contineents, causing the Great Unconfmiryt, pushin up land, pushing up the Rockies and the Alps and the Himalyas, and mopst likely triggering the volcanoes. The draining of the Flood which would have accompanied this tectonic movement is what eroded away the cliffs of the Grand Staircase shown in the cross section. Etc. etc. etc

And although the work being done by the scientific creationists such as Wise and Austin and all the others no dou t also proves the Flood, it seems to me that my simple scenario makes the case a lot more directly and comprehensibly. Once you see those simply cannot be time periods, that the only time period is our own, then what area they? Sedimentary depositions full of dead things. Waterborne deposits. Noah’s Flood. When ,br>
look into the Grand Canyon we are not looking at hundreds of millions of years of time, we are looking at part of the worldwide graveyard of the Flood of Noah.

School Shooting another expression of God's Judgment on America

Here's John MacArthur with a brief message on the biblical understnadijg of the school shooting and the general degeneration of our times. the mesage is right on:

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I wondered about adding this following thought but I think it's important so I will. His message was marred for me by his cuse of his favorite modern Bible translation and especialoly the name of GOd that is used. It makes me cringe and even if others don't have any objetion to it I think it nevertheless has an effect on everybody who hears it. It downgrades the word of God, it muddles our minds and our spirits.

But to end on a positive note, this is the first time I've seen the music part of a service at Grace community Church and I've often wante d to see it. they have a full orchestra and a choir and it's nice to see them and hear them.