Counterfiet Afterlife, Counterfeit Salvation

 Now I've run across some people who have had near death experience3s and visited "heaven" who claim to be genuine Christians, or claim to have become a Christian as a result of the experience.  The4y sound quite convincing too, they talk like Christians, they quote the bible, they love Jesus, they love church.  And yet even with these I find myself waiting and waiting and waiting for them to say something really clear about salvation, the gospel.  They may yuse the term gospel but then it seems to amount to little more than the idea that Jesus teaches us to love people and be kind ot people.  Eventually if I listen long enough something pretty clear that destroys the whole Christian framework shows up.  Something like how it's not about Jesus Himself but about the way of life that Jesus taught, so that even people who don't believing in Jesus can be saved.    After all the convincing sounding evangelical talk this usually reduces me to tears.

They may even talk about Hell, but Hell is where you go if you aren't kind to others.  THAT SEEMS TO BE THE ONLYH SIN IN THIS FRAME OF REFERENCES.  aND OF COURSE THE WORD SIN IS NEVER USED, AT LEAST SO FAR AS i HAVE HEARD IT HASN'T BEEN USED.  i WAS SURPRISED TO HEAR hELL MENTIONED AT ALL BUTG IT'S AMAZING THAT JUST ABOUT ALL cHRISTIAN CONCEPTS CAN BE USED AND YET TURN OUT NOT TO MEAN WHAT THEY MEAN IN GENUINE cHRISTIANITY.    oNE MAN WHO HAD BECOME A PASTOR AS A RESULT OF HIS nde, WHO HAD BEEN AN ATHEIST UNTIL THAT POINT AND BECAME A STRONG bIBLE BELIEVER AFTERWARD, EVEN SAYS HE IS A FOLLOWER OF TH3E rEFORMERS lUTHER AND zWINGLI, AND YHET HE SAYS NOTHING ABOUT JUSTIFICATION BY FIATH AND HE SAYS HE LOVES THE cATHOLIC cHURCH.  hUH?

hE WORRIES ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ARE BGOING TO hELL BUT i'M WORRIED ABOURT HIM BECAUSE i DON'T THINK HE KNOWS HE IS NOT SAVED.  i KNOW HE DOESN'T KNOW IT.  hE HAS NO CLUE ABOUT jESUS DYING FOR HIS SINS AS FAR AS i CAN TELL, AND THAT HE HAS TO BELIEVE THAT IN ORDER TO BE SAVED, AND THAT BELIEVING THAT IS HOW WE ARE REGENERATED OR BORN AGAIN AND MADE FIT FOR THE kINGDOME OF gOD.  nOT A HINT OF ANYTINGN  OF THAT SORT, IT'S ALL A RELIGION OF GOOD DEEDS AND SPECIFICALLY THE GOOD DEEED OF BEING KIND OT OTHERS.  aND YET HE SEEMS TO LOVE THE bIBLE, ALTHOUGH THE bIBLE TEACHES THAT WE ARE NOT SAVED BY OUR GOOD DEEDS, SAYS THAT OVER AND OVER VERY CLEARLY.  

tHESE ndeS TEACH A FALSE AFTERLIFE AND A FALSE GOSPEL.  tHEY MAY PROVE THAT THERE IS AN AFTERLIFE, IN FACT THAT IS WHAT THEY ACCOMPLISH FOR THOSE WHO ARE INVOVLED IN STUDYING THEM.  tHEY ANSWER THE MATERIALIST BIAS AND PROVE THAT CONSCIOUSNESS IS NOT JUST A FUNCTION OF BRAIN, WE ARE MORE THAN OUR PHYISCLA BEING.  a chRITSIAN KNOWS THAT BY FAITH BECAUSE THE bIBLE TEACHES IT, BUT ATHEIST MATERIALISTS NEED THE JOLT OF A STRONG EXPERIENCE LIKE AN nde TO CONVINCE THEM.  aND OF COURSE THE DOCTRINE THAT COMES ALONG WITH IT IS NOT REQUIRED TO CONVFORM TO cHRISTIAN DOCTRINE.  iN FACT THEY SEEM TO BE MAKING UP A NEW RELIGION ALTOGETHER.  sPECIFICALLY THESE EXPERIENCES TEND TO CONTRADICT cHRISTIAN DOCTRINE.  tHEERE IS NO JUDGMENT THEY SAY, JUST LOVE, JUST LOTS AND LOTS OF UNCONDITIONAL LOVE AND gOD MAKES NO DISTINCTIONS, IT'S FOR EVRYBODY.  dIABOLICAL DECEPTION AND IT'S SADDEST WHEN SOMEONE COMES AS CLOSE TO THE TRUTH AS THE MAN i'VE MENTIONED ABOVE AND HAS NO IDEA THAT HE'S ONLY ON A chRISTIANISH PATH TO hELL.  i'M PRAYING FOR HIM TO WAKE UP.

Near Death Deceptions

NDES ARE A BIG DEAL TO SCIENTIFICALLY MINDED PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY SO CLEARLY CONTRADICT THE PREVAILING MATERIALISTIC OR PHYSICALISTIC BIAS THAT MAKES CONSCIOUSNESS A FUNCTION OF THE BRAIN, ULTIMATELYH MEANINGLESS.  lIFE IS PURELY A PHYSICAL EXISTENCE THAT COMES TO AN END WITH DEATH, AN ABSOLUTE END AND THAT'S THAT.

o(F COURSE MANY OF US BELIEVE IN AN AFTERLIFE WITHOUT HAVING THE EXPERIENCE.  ccHRISTIANS KNOW IT BY FAITH ACCORDING TO THE TEACHINGS OF THE BIBLE FOR INSTANCE.  wHAT IS SO FASCINATING ABOUT THESE ndeS TO MY MIND IS HOW THEY ACTIVELY CONTRADICT THE bIBLE'S TEACHING ON OUR DESTINY AFTER DEATH.  hELL AND JUDGMENT ARE SPECIFICALLY DENIED IN ALL THE ACCOUNTS OF ndeS i'VE SO FAR SEEN.  tHERE ARE THOUSANDS AS i UNDERSTAND IT AND i'VE ONLY SEEN MAYBE THIRTY OR SO BUT IT SEEMS TO BE ENOUGH TO RECOBNIZE A DEFINITE TREND.

aLTHOUGH THE ACCOUNTS VARY IN SOME RESPECTS THERE ARE SOME COMMONALITIES THAT ARE SHARED BY ALL i'VE SEEN, UNLESS i'M MISREMEMBERING.   fOR INSTANCE, WHATEVER THE NATURE OF THE PLACE THAT IS VISITED IT IS DESCRIBED AS FEELING LIKE hOME, A PLACE VERY FAMILIAR TO THE PERSON WHO IS SURE HE'S BEEN THERE BEFORE AND HAS NOW RETURNED AS TO HIS ORIGINALL HOME.   tHE EXPERIENCER DOESN'T WANT TO LEAVE THIS PLACE AND IS VERY DISAPPOINTED TO BE TOLD HE OR SHE MUST GO BACK.  tHERE IS IN ALL THE SITUATIONS i'VE HEARD SO FAR A STRONG FEELING OF WHAT THEY CALL UNCONDITIONAL LOVE.   tHE SCENE MAY BE A LANDSCAPE OF BEAUTIFUL COUNTRYSIDE WITH BRIGHTLY COLORED FLOWERS.   THE PLACE IS EXPERIENCED WITH A VIVIDENESS THAT IS FAR MORE INTENSE THAN THIS PHYSICAL RELAITY.  mOST OF THEM SAY IT IS FAR MORE REAL THAN THIS WORLD.  tHERE ARE COORS THEY'VE NEVER SEEN IN THIS WORLD.  iT'S NOT ALWAYS A LNANDSCAPE ALTHOUGH THAT IS A COMMON ONE.  sOME EXPERIENC ETRAVELING IN SPACE AMONG THE STARS AND THEY ARE ALSO BRIGHTLY COLORED.  

oTHER BEINGS APPEAR IN MOST OF THEM THOUGH NOT AS MANY AS ONE MIGHT EXPEECT, A FEW FAMILY MEMBERS, FRIENDS, A TEACHER OR GUDIDE PERHAPS.  AND IN A FEW "gOD" IS THERE, AS A MAN, AND jESUS.  wHEN THE PERSON SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT HOW THEY'D EXPECTED JUDGMENT OR EVEN hELL AFTER DEATH THESE SUPPOSED gOD AND jESUS FIGURES ASSURE THEM THAT THEY HAVE IT WRONG, THATR THERE IS NOTHING BUT PERFECT ACCEPATANCE OF THEM.   tHEIR LIFE IS FOR THE PURPOSE OF LEARNING.  tHEY MAY HAVE A lIFE REVIEW IN WHICH SOME OF THEIR KIND DEEDS ARE SHOWN TO THEM AND SOME OF THEIR UNKIND DEEDS, BUT THEY ARE STRENUOUSLY ASSURED THAT THIS IS NOT FOR THE PURPOSE OF JUDGING, JUST FOR LEARNING, AND THEY ARE TO GO BACK TO THEIR EARTHLY LIFE AND TELL OTHERS ABOUT IT ALL.  

wHAT'S PARTIFUCULUARLY INTERETING TO ME ABOUT ALL THIS IS THAT IT IS SOMETHING ENTIRELY CONDUCTED BY SPIRITUAL BEINGS.  sATAN WORKS THROUGH OTHER PEOPLE AND CIRCUMSTANCES OF OUR LIVES IN OUR DAILY EXPERIENCE, BUT IN THESE EXPERIENCES THEY ARE WORKING DIRECTLY TO INFLUENCE THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE THEM.   iN ONE OF THEM, HAD BY nANCY, SHE LOOKS BEHIND HER AS SHE IS BEING CONDUCTIED THROUGH A BEAUTIFUL LANDSCAPE AND SEES A GRAY FOG CLOSING IN BEHIND THEM AND ASKES HER GUDIDE ABOUT IT, WHO TELLS HER THAT THIS IS ALL A 
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tHAT'S THE ONLY TIME IT IS CALLED A CONSTRUCT AND EVEN SO IT IS FELT BY nANCY TO BE MORE REAL THAN HER PHYSICAL LIFE.  bUT HOW INTERESTING THAT IT IS DESCRIBED IN SUCH TERMS, ESSENTIALLY AS AN ILLUSION CREATED FOR THE EXPERIENCE ITSELF, WHICH IS THEREFORE NOT REALLY rEALITY ALTHOUGH IT IS FELT AS SO INTENSELY REAL.   i HAD AN ACQUAINTANCE MANY YEARS AGO WHO WAS INTO THE sETH BOOKS AND TOLD ME THAT THE SPIRITUAL BEINGS SAY IN THE BOOKS THAT cHRISTIANITY IS FALSE, THAT THEY SIMPLY CREATE WHATEVER SCENE THEY WANT TO RECEIVE PEOPLE WHO COME INTO THEIR REALM.   sOUNDS TO ME LIKE THIS IS MOST LIKELY AN ACMISSION OF TRUTH, ALL THESE SCENES ARE CONDOCTED BY THE DEMONS TO CREATE A STRONG BELIEF IN THE PERSON EXPERIENCING THEM.  

aN EXPERINECE SO COMPELLING THEY ALL REPORT A COMPLETE LOSS OF FEAR OF FEATH, THEY ARE SO SURE THAT THIS SCENE IS WHERE THEY WILL GO WHEN THEY DIE.  nO hELL, NO JUDMGNET, JUST THIS WONDERFUL UNCONDITIONAL LIOVE IN A BEAUTIFUL SETTING.  

tHESE EXPERIENCES CONTRADICT ALL RELIGIOUS MORAL TEACHING BUT SEEM TO BOGO OUT OF THEIR WAY TO CONSTRACTICE cHRISTIANITY SPECIFICALLY.  wELL, "jESUS" IS OFTEN THERE, BUT i HAVEN'T RUN ACROSS ANY IN WHICH mOHAMMED OR bUDDHA OR sAI bABA OR jOSEPH sMITH WAS THERE.  iT SEEMS MOST IMPORTANT FOR THESE BEINGS TO PRESENT A FAKE jESUS, A jESUS WHO IS NOT AT ALL THE jESUS OF THE bIBLE, BUT APPARENTLY IS ABLE TO DECEIVE PEOPLE INTO THINKING HE IS, MOSTLY PEO9PLE WITH NO EXPERIENCE OF THE bIBLE i SUPPOSE.  

iF THERE IS A JESUS IN THE SCNEE HE IS A FAKE jESUS, AND OF COURSE gOD IS NOT A MAN, HE'S sPIRIT AND HE IS OMNIPRESNET NOT CONFINED TO ANY ONE PLACE.  tHESE SCENARIOS ARE APPARENTLY DESIGNED BY DEMONIC BEINGS TO DECEIVE THE HUMAN RACE INTO BELIEVING THAT THERE IS NO hELL OR JUDMGNET TO FEAR AFTER DEATH SO THAT THEY WILL NOT BE INTERESTED IN FINDING OUT ABOUT THE TRUE jESUS AND THE TRUE GOSPEL THAT COULD SAVE TGHEM FROM THE REAL JUDGMENT AND THE REAL hELL.  tHERE IS OF COURSE NOT A HINT OF AN IOTA OF A SCINTILLA OF THE TRUE GOSPEL IN ANY OF THESE STORIES, THE GOSPEL OF SALVATION BY THE DEATH OF cHRIST.  iF WE BELIEVE hE DIED FOR US, IN OUR PLACE, AND THAT OUR SINS ARE FOGIVEN BECAUSE OF hIS DEATH, THEN WE HAVE ETERNAL LIFE, BUT THOSE WITHOUT THIS BELIEF ARE DESTINED FOR hELL.   bUT ACCORDEINT TO THESE ndeS THERE IS NO REALSON TO FEAR SUCH A FATE.   tHEY'VE BEEN ENTICED BY BEATUFUL SCNERY AND BEAUTIFUL FEELINGS OUT OF ANY FEAR THAT MIGHT SAVE THEM.    

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aLL THIS IS INCRESING IN RECENT TIMES, THE ndeSAND SIMILAR PHENOMENA, THE ufoS, THE APPARITIONS OF mARY AND SO ON.  tHIS INCREASE SUGGESTS THAT WE ARE DEFINITELY IN THE LAST DAYS AND THE DEVIL IS WSORKING HARDER THAN EVER TO SET UP HIS KINGDOM OF HE aNTICHRIST WITH ITS OWN RELIGION OF PRETTY FEELINGS AND GOOD DEEDS AND SO ON   iT'S VERY CLOSE.  

iDON'T DOUBTY THAT THERE IS A CERTAIN REALITY TO THE EXPERIENCE S OF THE ndeS.  i'VE AHD AT LEAST ONE EXPERIENCE MYSELF OF KNOWING MY DOUL IS SEPARATE FROM MY BODY ALTHOUGH COEXTENSIVE WITH IT.  i DIDN'T LEAVE MY BODY BUT i AS FILLED WITH A FRAGRANE THAT WAS OTHERWORLDLY, THAT i DIDN'T SMELL WITH MY NOSE BUT WITH A BODY THAT WASN'T MY PHYSICAL BODY, AND MOSTLY INTE THE REGION SO FMY THROAT IF i HAD TO IDENTIFY A LOCATION.  wE CERTAINLY ARE SPIRIT AND SOUL AND BODY AND NOT JUST THE HPYSICAL BEING WE AR TAUGHT IN THIS MODERN AGE TO IDENTIFY AS OURSELVES, THE BRAIN THAT CREATES THE CONSCIOUSNESS RATHER THAN THE OTHER WAY AROUND, AND THE SNUFFING OUT OF ALL OF IT WHEN WE DIE.  nO WE ARE COMPLEX SPIRITUAL AND PHYSICAL BEINGS THAT WILL GO EITHER TO HEAVEN OR HELL AT THE END AND THE ndeS ARE DSIGNED TO DISTRATCT US FROM THAT TGRUTYH.

New Death Experiences and Other Deceptions about the Afterlife

tHERE ARE TWO VERY INTERESTING VIDEOS AT yOU tUBE i VERY MUCH WANTED TO POST HERE BUT i'VE BEEN UNABLE TO SEE WELL ENOUGH TO COPY AND PASTE THE LINKS.  oNE IS A PANEL DISCUSSION BY SIX SCIENTIESTS ABOUT VARIOUS ASPECTS OF THE QUESTION OF THE AFTERLIFE WHICH THEY EACH STUDY IN DIFFERENT WAYS.  tHE OTHER VIDEO IS A DOCUMENTARY ABOUT THE SAME SUBJCT THAT INCLUDES MANY INTERVIEWS WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE HAD NEAR DEATHEXPERIENCES AS WELL AS A RESEARCHER INTO THE PHENOMENA.   That's the best I can do to identifyh them, I can't even read the titles  or the names involved or anything.  

Street interviews about what people believe about the afterlife show that a lot of people say they do, but it's the usual vague idea that everybody goes to heaven.  Even the few who identify as Christians and think there is both a heaven and a hell don't show any understanding of how we go to either plade, it's the usual idea that if you are good you go to heaven and if you are bad to hell.   

From my pretty standard orthodox Christian point of view this topic looks like huge deception that is very popular these days and it makes me wonder what the point is, why Satan is so interested in deceiving people in this particular way at this time.   Why does he want people to have these pretty pictures of the afterlife that make them fearless about death.  I'

For the researchers the question is simply whether or not there is an afterlife, since they are operating within the assumptions of science that the physical world is all there is and that death ends our existence.   As I listen to it, believing as I do tghat the Bible is the world of God, I just think how futile all this is since the Bible makes it very clear rthat we are not confined to this life, that there is a heaven and a hell, and people come back to life on many occasions in both the old and new testaments.

But they dismiss the bible as just one of many records of life after death, at best, and it doesn't figure at all in most conversations about these things.     We know there is an afterlife because the bible has revealed it to us.

And we know there are only two desginations after death, either heaven or hell, and that the only way anyone goes to heaven is by trusting in the sacrificie of Chrizt on the cross to pay for our sins.  the Bible is explicit that good deads wil not get anyone to heaven, that is repeated in many parts of the New Testament and implicit in the Old Testament references to the sacrificial sstem.   Nobody can go to heaven who is not absolutely pure and perfect and no human being comes close to that.  It is only through the gift of Jesus' sacrifice that we can be made fit for heaven.  Without that sacrifice and our fatih in it we go to Hell.  That's the default destination for all human beings since we are a fallen race, fallen meaning we inherit the disobedience of our first parents against God and add our own sins to that original sin.  

So all tthese near death experiences are lies, and the question becomes wny.  If all people are destined for Hell anyway, what is the point of adding this new layer of deception to lead people to expectg a benighn afterlife no matter how they've lived.  Qwell, actually, most who have such experiences do feel they have to become better people as a result and try to life a better life, doing more good deeds and so on.

B what is never even hinted atg in all these studies and experiences is the true gospel of Christ that requires us to believe in His death in order to be saved.   We need to be changed, born again, our spirit regenerated through our faith in Christ, and then we are fit for heaven, our sins covewred as we begin to learn to live tghat better life which can never be good enough for heaven or the prsence of God.  Not a whiff of that doctrine is ever heard in any of these researches.

I have to suppose this is all part of the preparation for the last days scenario in which the Antichrist will rule the world, part of the global religion that is to be part of his reign, part of the scenario of the perfect world according to Satan thnat he wants to bring about on this planet.  According to biblical prophecy it will be very short lived, lasting only a few short years before Jesus returns to rule and reign.

It must be very close.  The signs have been piling up over the last few years or decades.    Poor poor sad sinful human race.  They 

What the Bible makes clear throughout is the overarching omnipresence of the Moral Law of God, the fact that the universe is governed by that Moral Law, that we are all subject to it at every moment of our lives, that what happens in the world reflects its judgmenets, which are God's judgments, so that everything from hurricanes to earthquakes are to be understood as conseuences of sin or violations of the Moral Law.  The sad thing is that if we all acknowledged God and prayed all the time about everything the dire consequences of our violations of the Law would be powerfully mitigated, but because most of fallen humanity denies God those judgments are only going to increase as time goes on.  

The fact that people come back from their supposed trips to heaven with a desire to live a better life is at least a tacit acknowlegement of the Moral Law but otherwise it's completely ignored in all these discussions.  Those who talk about hell for the wrongdoers acknowlege it of course but still it isn't getting the recogniztion it actually warrants.

The Moral Law is the reason Jesus had to die for us.  Only He could obey it perfectly and that made Him the perfect substitute for us, to die on our place to pay for the sins we deserved His death for but couldn't ever atone for, so tht Hell is our only possible destination after death.  He fulfilled the Moral Law perfectly and imputed His own obedience to us, taking our disobedience onto Himself.  That's the only way it could have been done.  but of course not a hint of any of that comes into discussions of the afterlife by unbelievers.