Taking Down the Propaganda Against Ivermectin: Rogan vs. Gupta, BBC's Zero Evidence, Its Use in India Brings Down their COVID Death Rate

__ It's become popular on the Left these days to characterize Ivermectin as "horse dewormer," in their neverending effort to keep people away from it, for what reason we still can't say for sure. But here's a clip that includes Joe Rogan calling out Dr. Sanjay Gupta for not condemning CNN's misreprentation of Rogsn's use of Ivermectin by that same term, although Rogan was taking a prescription for him as a human being. It's always nice to see propaganda confronted, but unfortunately half the country isn't going to see the confrtonation and will just go on believing the lies of CNN and the other leftist outlets. Anyway here's the clip:

Rogan Takes Down Sanjay Gupta

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ADDED BY EDIT A COUPLE HOURS LATER: Got off the computer and turned on the radio to find Dan Bongino talking about this very incident between Rogan and Gupta. He went on to mention that after agreeing with Rogan that CNN shouldn't have said he was talking horse dewormer, later on CNN he said that Rogan was wrong,m that Ivermectin IS horse dewormer, a if that exconerated CNN's use of the term

But of course it doesn't. Ivermectin has many uses and its veterinary use was not its original use. Its discoverers got a Nobel prize for it, and not for its use as a horse dewormer. It wiped out the parasite that made the men in parts of Africa blind by the age of forty. That is, it's FIRST use was for human beings, not animals.

I started hearing about people using the veterinary form of it a few weeks or months ago, and the reasons for that was the unconscionable restriction of its availability for human use by this same concerted propaganda against it. Because it was, and still is, so difficult to get, people were buying the veterinary paste version of it which was readily available, and using it according to the guidelines based on body weight that are put out by various medical sources. This is of course based on the assuption that it's exactly the same chemical, and all I know about that is that the people who use it say so.

As I reported a few posts ago, there are now stories of Ivermectin overdose cases overloading hospital services --Rachel Maddow seems to have been the one to spread this claim -- at least one of them in Oklahoma later denying it in a letter to the press. My own guess is that a case of one overdose was magnified into many and disseminated through local newspapters all owned by one company, making it seem like a sudden vast upsurge in Ivermectin overdoses in the communities served by those particular newspapers (and as far as I know ONLY those which is suspcious in itself). I hope someone does an expose on this. In any case people are using the veterinary form of Ivermectin because the Powers That Be have made the people kind hard to get, and most of them without negative effects.

And while I'm at it I'll just add a note on the validity of its use against COVID. In the interview of Dr. Pierre Kory and Bret Weinstein by Joe Rogan that I'[ve mentioned a few times now (it's on Spotify, Episoe 1671) Kory said its antiviral properties were original discovered in the labl and when tried with patients proved to be even more effective than expected from such a lab experiment. Bret Weinstein in that same interview gave the opinion, which he said was eventually confirmed by Dr. Robert Malone who had at first disagreed with him, that Ivermectin if used properly could drive COVID to extinction. Zev Zelenko, who was the first to bring the efficacy of Hydroxychloroquine to public attention, believes that either of these "repurposed" drugs that have antiviral properties could have saved 85% of those who have died of COVID. There are many others who have used both HCQ and Ivermectin with huge success and saved thousands upon thousands of their own patients. /EDIT
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Here are a couple of discussions of the COVID sitaution by Dr. John Campbell. I don't know anything about him excpet that I run across him at You tube from time to time and he has an appealingly objective way of dealing with information. He's in favor of the vaccines and I haven't found a video of him discussing them yet but I'll post it if I do.

Meanwhile these two are interesting I think. In the first he presents information about how India brought down their death rate from COVID. They distributed home care kits to people who tested positive, which included among other aids vitamins C and D, Ivermectin, Doxyclycline and Zinc.

How India Reducedd Their COVID Death Rate

The second video is about the BBC's debunking of Ivermectin, and Campbell's analysis of the studies they based it on, which amounts to their having no evidence whatever to base it on.

BBC Article Debunking Ivermectin

Effectiveness and Suppression of HCQ and Ivermectin: Sensationalism or Simple fact?

I know some of the information about COVID and especially the alternative treatments as versus the vaccines, can sound fairly sensationalistic, but the thing is they are easily shown to be based on fact.

UPDATE Oct 10. For instance, The article I posted below about the witholding of lifesaving treatments from COVID patients in an Alberta hospital sounds pretty sensationalistic, except that it's highly believable in the light of the known unavailablility of such treatments in the US as well. I've just added a long excerpt from that article to that post by the way.

================================= It certainly sounds sensationalistic when I quote Zev Zelenko's estimate that 85% of those who have died of COVID -- we're talking over five h7undred thousand at this point -- could have been saved if the antiviral therapeutics, especially Hydroxychloroquine in theearly months, had not been bannded, that's based on impeccable reasoning from his own experience and that of others who cured thousands of COVID patients with it. Ivermectin, which came to prominence in the Fall of 2020, is at least as effective as HCQ in both preventing and curing COVID and it too is now being treated to the disinformation blitz that makes it unavailable for use. this is sensationalistic beyond the numbers because of the banning which raises questions about the motives of those opposing the use of these drugs. While in the early phase there was enough confusion to make this understandable, after more than a year has gone by and the first phase errors have been publically corrected, it's not so understandable any more. I've probably covered all this sufficiently over a number of posts but it keeps coming up so maybe another I can try to condense a lot of it in one more. Here agaihn is the link to the Joe Rogan discussionj with professor Bret Weinstein and Dr. Pierre Kory that is mostly about Ivermectin. You Tube banned this talk so you have to go to Spotify to find it, and you'll have to register there, but it's pretty easy. I don't use Facebook at all but I did register there so my Facebook registration is enough to log me into Spotify. Joe Rogan Podcast #1671:

https://open.spotify.com/episode/7uVXKgE6eLJKMXkETwcw0D

The most consistent focus on Ivermectin begins about 42:00 and runs for a half hour at least. Dr. Kory has earlier said it was first found to have antiviral properties from laboratory stucies but when used with pateints it was consistently effective at curing COVID. In the segment I mentioned he expresses amazement at just how effective this drug has been found to be in trials with thousands of patients, the kind of amazement that could sound like hyperbole or sensationalism but is based on observed facts.

This is a well reasoned scientific discussion of Ivermectin, nothing at all sensationalistic about it.

The warnings against the vaccines could also be considered to be sensationalistic and since so far the majority have not had any observed ill effects it's too early to knohw if the fears are warranted of their possible future ill effects. One thing is known for certain, however, which is that threre has been an unprecedented hihh number of deaths and injuries reported by the authorized health organizations caused by the vaccines, a number which is likely much lower than the reality.

The vaccines were given Emergency Use Authorizatoin because they had not been tested to anywhere near the usual standards required of any drug released to the p8ublic. Their high rate of death and injury reflects the dangerous of these experimental drugs. But beyond that, their emergency use status was unwarranted because it is only to be granted when other treatments are not available, but both HCQ and Ivermectin were available and they are not the only "repurposed" antiviral treatments.

g Is it sensationalistic to suggest that there is something sinister about the withholding of knjown effective treatments while the death count mounts every day? I just posted an article about how such treatments areaggressively withheld from COVID patients in some hospitals, and in that article even vitamins and antibiotics were taken away. Should we assume that report was false? But we know that both HCQ and Ivermectin are banned from use in hosptials and even by doctors in their own practice. My own Provider said she couldn't prescribe Ivermectin. It's just about impossible to get it. It's just about impossible to find a medical professional who will prescribe it, or a pharmany that would fill the prescription.

The facts sure sound sensationalistic, but they really are facts. There's no avoiding the conclusion that the influences in all this are not medical in the slightest but purely political. to what end is not completely clear yet but we can certainly make some reaosnable guesses that it doesn't bode well for the future of our supposedly Constitutional republic or for the world in general. Vaccine mandages based on a virus that 99.97% survive without treatment? A "pandemic of the unvaccinated"" Even quarnatine camps? One authoritzed for construction by the governor of the state of Tennessee, ads in newspapers for workers for such camps in the state of Washington? When it's the vaccinated and not the unvaccinated who are getting COVID in the highest numbers, and if HCQ and Ivermectin were readily available NOBODY would be getting it. Austraolia is already under strict mandates against normal life and their leaders have even called COVID The New World Order.

So welcome to the New World Order. It aint gonna be quite the heaven on earth some say. At last not for a lot of us, and in the end not for anybody.

Oh sorry, guess I'm being sensationalistic.

Perilous Times Are Here

This week's Understanding the Timnes radio show with Jan Markell: The Set Up for the Great Reset. Vaccine passports. What's in Australia is coming here soon. Leftist Naomi Wolf continues to warn us about how they intend to use the pandemic against us (1:10). Govdernor Hochul of New York is shown making her near-blasphemous attack on the unvaccinated (about 10:27 in the video below).

(My comment: Nobody ever says how the unvaccinatged could possibly threaten the vaccinated but it doesn't matter in this age of lies,you can say anything and make people believe it. It's the vaccinated who are getting COVID, not the unvaccinated despite the propaganda to the contrary. And many of the unvaccinated have had COVID and therefore immune and that's why they don't need the vaccine. What is this huge push to vaccinae everybody? There is no rational explanation for it.)
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Aggressive Pressure to Deny Lifesavintg Treatment for COVID in Alberta Hospital

UPDATE Oct 10: Added quote from the referenced article at the bottom of this post:
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Just received this in email. Canadian doctor is fired for giving Ivermectin to three of his patients. It took some doing to get hold of the drug in the first place, in fact I'm amazed he was able to find someone who got it for him. Despite the "empty shelves" theme of the previous post, unless you are talking only about the veterinary version you simply can't get hold of it at all. It is never out on the shelves in any case, it's available only by presription so the empty shelves is clearly propaganda. You'd think people might start to wake up. Doesn't seem to be happening.\

I'm not sure this Canadian story is much different from what is going on here though it seems to imply that. ER Physician Simone Gold got fired from her Southern California job last year for promoting Hydroxychloroquine as an effective treatment for COVID. It's happened to others but still others give in and deny their patients the lifesaving treatments for fear of losing their jobs. Boy that must eat at their conscience.

https://amgreatness.com/2021/10/04/canadian-doctor-says-something-malicious-is-going-on-after-hes-punished-for-treating-covid-patients-with-ivermectin/

UPDATE: Quote from the article:

All the patients were on Oxygen and extremely short of breath. The only medication these patients were on were steroids—a medication that will decrease inflammation but increase the chances of a bacterial infection by suppressing the immune system. That’s right, the only medication the COVID patients at this hospital were on were immune suppressants.

One woman said it felt like we just put her in a corner to die. We weren’t doing anything for her. I told her, I can’t speak for the usual doctors during the week, but it’s the weekend, and I’ll do everything I can to help. I offered Ivermectin. She wanted to try it because she heard nothing but good things about it. All 3 patients wanted to try ivermectin.

The hospital didn’t have any, so we had to ask Red Deer Hospital’s Central Pharmacy for the medication. They refused to send Ivermectin. Red Deer’s central pharmacist said Ivermectin was useless for COVID. He even had the Pharmacy Director for all of Alberta contact me to tell me Ivermectin didn’t work.

The Pharmacy Director for Alberta Health services is Dr. Gerald Lazarenko. Remember that name. He is both a Pharmacist and a Doctor. And he insisted that Ivermectin had no place in the treatment of COVID. So we checked the local pharmacies. And God bless that charge nurse, although both pharmacies in town did not have ivermectin, there was one pharmacist who would do everything he could to get some even if it took all day.

We didn’t have all day, my patients were sick. So I started everyone on the next best thing, Hydroxychloroquine which the hospital did have. I also started Vitamin C, Vitamin D, and Zinc. And because the patients were coughing and short of breath I gave them inhalers… Salbutamol and Flovent, the same inhalers that have been used for asthma for over 50 years. I also gave them Azithromycin.

Surprisingly by late afternoon, the town pharmacist finally found some ivermectin.

He couldn’t get it from his usual chemical supply, because it was a Saturday. He had to get it from an agricultural supply. He checked to make sure that it was the exact same Ivermectin a pharmacist would give to a person, brought it back to his pharmacy and checked it again. He then called me with the good news. I handed Ivermectin to each of my 3 patients with their exact dose of according to their weight. And you’ll never guess what happened next. Within hours of getting Ivermectin, I got a call from the Central Zone medical director, Dr Jennifer Bestard. She called me to tell me I was forbidden from giving Ivermectin to patients. I told her she’s never met the patients, she’s not their doctor, and had no right to be changing the care of my patients without the patient’s permission.

She said Ivermectin was forbidden from the hospital. Even if the patients had their own Ivermectin. (Which I would have happily given to a relative so they could to hand it over to them), Patients would not be allowed to take their own ivermectin. She said it was a violation of Alberta Health Services Policy to give Ivermectin for COVID.

But that wasn’t good enough. The next day she called the hospital and gave me 15 minutes notice that I would be relieved of my duties. I told her that it was unreasonable. I had an emergency department full of patients who can’t be sorted out in 15 minutes. An hour later another local doctor came to replace me. They didn’t even want me to check up on the patients who I gave Ivermectin to.

Not even 24 hours after getting Ivermectin, two out of my three patients were almost completely better. They were out of bed walking around and all the crackles I heard in their lungs from the day before were gone. All it took was about 18 hours and one dose of Ivermectin. The third patient who was 95 years old, stayed the same. She didn’t get any worse like she had done the night previous.

I found out later that no sooner had I left Rimbey hospital, the next doctor who came to replace me stopped the antibiotics, stopped all the vitamins, she even stopped the patient’s inhalers. Within hours of my leaving the hospital this doctor even took away the patient’s inhalers, to help her breathe. The patients were not even allowed vitamins.

Thankfully, both my 70 year old patients who had immediate recoveries after a single dose of ivermectin left the hospital that week. I’d like to speak briefly to the healthcare professionals in the crowd: No doctor would take away antibiotics and inhalers for ANY viral pneumonia, never mind COVID. No doctor would do that to ANY patient with a pneumonia. Unless they were… Well I’ll let you think about that. We are remembering Nuremburg after all. And for healthcare professionals, I want us all to think very deeply about that.

But it gets worse, In my brief day and a half in the small town of Rimbey, I saw 2 patients who had recently been discharged from Red Deer Hospital after being on the COVID ward. They were sent home with NOTHING. Not even an inhaler. These patients ended up in ER at a small hospital wanting help. Just days after being sent home from a tertiary care hospital with nothing.

There is something malicious going on. I hope you can all see the bigger picture. This is more than me having all my assignments to take care of small communities cancelled for the rest of the year. This is more than the medical director, Dr. Fraincois Belanger banning me from hospital practice throughout all of Alberta.

Just a week after giving ivermectin and then filing a complaint against the Alberta Pharmacy Director, a complaint sent to the College of Physicians and Surgeons, about the Pharmacy director for an entire province denying 11 pages of studies showing 0% mortality for patients given Ivermectin. In study after study after study, 0% mortality, 0% mortality, 0% mortality… with Ivermectin.

And in “Severe” COVID? A 50% reduction in mortality with Ivermectin

Lots n Lots of Lies about Ivermectin, Guess a Lot of Peole Believe Them.

I'm sure there are better places to look to find the truth than You Tube but that's where I looked and the lies are scary. I searched on Oklahoma hospitals deny being overrun with Ivermectin overdose patients and got not one single hit on that topic, instead a long list of assertions that they ARE overrun with Ivermectin patients. A doctor saying so shows up everywhere I look. Gosh he's credible. The hosptials are jammed with such cases, ev4en to the point of making gunshot wound patients wait.

Stores are empty of Ivermectin, they say, and show an empty shelf. The weirdest thing about that bit of claim is that nobody who wants it has been able to find it for months, it has to be prescribed, you don't get it off store shelves, and it's just about impossible to find a doctor who will prescribe it or a pharmacy that will fill it if it should manage to get prescribed.

Yes, SOME are taking the vetereinary version, which since it is the same chemical should be fine if you use the right dosage, and the idea that enough people to jam hospitals are usinjg the wrong dosage when there's plenty of information out there about how to calculate it correctly related to your body weight is absurd. Not that many people are that stupid, sorry.

Much of what I know about people using Ivermectin I know second and third hand, from people who are in discussion groups about these things, where they report on dosages, where to get swhat kind, experiences with it and so on. These discussion groups have formed on many of the social media platforms, often growing to thousands of participants discussing their bad e3xperiences with the vaccines for starters, and then these alternative medications and so on. They share links to expert testimony on all these subjects. this is America at its best in my opinon, Americans helping Americans, weighing information and so on, but of course the Powers aren't going to let this go on very long. All these threads eventually get pulled down by Marxist Big Brother who doesn't want the truth to ge out, leaving us wondering why. Greed? Power grab? Global power grab, ignorant but Just Following Orders? And of course we wonder Whose orders. All of the above?

But beyond that I've heard the doctors who know it works because they've used it on many patients, some I mentioned in the previous post. The same doctors also raise 1questions about the vaccines, which aren't really vaccines but untested genetically based drugs that were rushed into use by Emergency Use Authoritzation which was not needed because the therapeutic antivirals such as Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine and others wwould have dealt with COVID juswt fine without them.

I also heard Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying on their Dark Horse Podcast a few months ago talking about how they decided not to get vaccinated and use Ivermectin as a preventative instead. They made their decision based on reading the scientific/medical literature on the subhect. They are professors of bioloby who know how to do that sort of research. Bret also did a couple of pocasts where he interviewed doctors on the subject, Dr. Pierre Kory for one, who is a member of FLCCC which is headed by Dr. Malik, and Robert Malone and steven Kirsch. All eminently qualified to discuss the subject.

Guess there's always someone willing to be a mouthpiece for the Evil Powers, like that one doctor who contradicts all the doctors I've heard. Are we talking about the World Economic Forum's Great Reset? That's Klaus Schwab, Prince Charles, Bill Gates, Anotheony Fauci and others I forget. Pope Francis? They want a global government where nobody owns anything and supposedly loves it. Worldwide Shangri-La, a lovely Marxist Utopia which can't possibly work and will create nothing but murder and death from every kind of evil. Maybe that's what they REALLY want? I don't know but it's what they're going to get. Oh they DO definitely want a drastic decrease in the world population. Guess they'll get that. Maybe the pandemic is the first stage of that agenda?

And why hasn't there been a huge uprising of those who hate all this? I wonder that too. Zelenko in that interview I posted recently said toward the end of it that in Australia where they are openly enacting the globalist agenda against their citizens, that the protests there even include "truckies" or truck drivers, running over the "brownshirts" -- well, they took their guns away from them a few years ago so I guess they use what weapobns they have. This IS war.

I try not to worry because the Lord tells us to be anxious for nothing and take everything to him in prayer, but the thought of beig hauled off to a "quarantine" camp I have to admit does worry me. I couldn't survive it for a day, Don't worry, I'm sure with prayer I could adapt even to that (and if I die I die it's up to God) but for now I'm adapted to my current routines which revolve around what you might call "special needs" I've acquired in recent years. None of that will be provided for me at a quarantine camp I'm sure and I couldn't survive the normal provisions at all-- unless God somehow makes it possible. So I worry and try not to. Since I use a walker I'm not going to go out in the streets and protest either, and since I can't see well enough to drive any more I won't be running over any brownshirts in my truck or shooting anybody either if it comes to that kind of warfare. I don't think I could run over anyone or shoot anyone anyway.

heavy Propaganda Against Ivermectin

Over the last year and a half I've heard many medical experts making the case for the thereaptueic antiviral drugs, starting with Hydroxychloroquine, now focused mostly on Ivermectin. They describe their use with thousands of patients with huge success at both prevention and cure of COVID 19. These drugs are so effective it is reasonable to claim that if they had been used consistently as they should have been, some 85% of those who have died of the virus could have been saved. Dr. Zelenko in particular makes this claim, He was one of the very first to use HCQ with his population of patients with great successand he developed a protocol for its use.

But all it takes is an aggressive orchestrated propaganda campaign to turn the public against this information and not only rationalize the deaths but promote them in what Zelenko calls genocide. I just watched Rachel Maddow's contribution to the genoicide as she covers many "news" items reporting many cases of Ivermectin misuse causing sickensss and even death. Reports from newspapers in various states, poison control centers and the like.

It's all about Ivermentin as a "horse dewormer" with a brief reference to its human uses and a repeated refrain that it doesn't prevent or cure COVID. Since I know it does from all the medical sources I've heard I have to wonder where this proppaganda is coming from, if it's entirely made up lies or the inflation of a single case somewhere or what. This would take research beyond my abilities but surely others are on the case. Meanwhile, of course, those who know only what they hear from the liberal news sources will never hear the other side of the story. those who are better informed will be distrusted or never heard at all, and besides will probably be tucked away in Quarantine campes before long.

I know this is all propaganda because I've heard so many highly reputable doctors talking about the effeciveness of Ivermectin for preventing and treating COVID. Of course those professionals are not consulted in Maddow's report, perhaps she hasn't even heard of them, although you would think anyone really wanting to understand why anyone would prescribe the drug for COVID would want to hear that side of it. This is a propaganda campaign against Ivermectin just as there was such a campaign against Hydroxychloroquine last year that was completely successful at suppressing its use against COVID. The most amazing thing in Maddow's report is the claim that tends of thousands of prescriptions for Ivermectin have been written, although it's very hard to find anyone who will write such a prescription and hard to find a pharmacy that will fill it thanks to the official denunciations of it. There are sources but you have to go out of your way to find them. I guess it's possible they might be responsible for that many prescriptions, it just sounds high to me, and Maddow makes it sound as if these prescriptikons have many sources, which I doubt given the propaganda. You can get the veterinary version of Ivermectin fairly easily but you have to jump through hoops to get the human version of it, or to get Hydroxychloroquine, although both were easily available before COVID because of their many benefits for various diseases.

I suspect an elaborate disinformation campaign through all those newspapers Maddow cited, all carrying essentially the same story about people getting sick from misusing Ivermectin and ending up in the hosptial, Poison Control centers getting a great upsurge in calls about the drug. I can imagine a few people being stupid enough to overdose on it but the sources that are promoting it are careful to discuss appropriate doses. Even the veterinary version can be used if you get the dosage right. I would not expect a huge upsurge in overdose cases and I suspect a disinformation campaign. the same story appearing at the same time in so many newspapers is already suspicious. Poison Control centers and hospitals in so many different locations all of a sudden having this upsurge? Really? Someobody somewhere wrote the equivalent of a Press Release, perhaps a fringety News Sewrvice, and sent it around to all these papers. Perhaps all the papers are owned by the same people too.

I'm not up to the research to prove it unfortunately. But I trust the medical sources I've heard about the great effectiveness of Ivermectin as well as Hydroxychloroquine if used properly, so what we have here is the same kind of attack on a cure for COVID that we saw last year against HCQ. The social media shut up the doctors who spoke for HCQ and they've been shutting up those who speak for Ivermectin. This newspaper blitz is just another form of the same murderous policy of silencing the truth.

Dr. Peter McCullough, Dr. Robert Malone, Dr. Pierre Kory, Dr. Steve Kirsch, are names that come to mind as highly qualified medical doctors who promote Ivermectin. There are many others. Last year for HCQ Dr. Vladimir Zelenko, Dr. Simone gold and Dr. Daniel Wolhgelernter, an ER doctor and a cardiologist, did a video about their personal use of HCQ in curing COVID and that video was taken down from You Tube. I'd posted it here. It's now "unavailabl3e." Another strong voice for HCQ was Dr. Harvey Risch, head of the Yale University Deparatment of Public Health. And there are others on that subject too. These are all highly trustworthy sources. Rachel Madow is not, she's merely trusting in a bunch of newspaper stories that are no doubt faked. Oh and by the way apparently Maddow reported on a hospital in Oklahoma overrun with Ivermectin overdose patients. The hsopital responded with a letter denyinbg it completely but Maddow never corrected the story. I haven't been able to find her report on that and I'm not up to the rest of the research right now but that's enough information to do your own research if you want.
And the Evil Machine keeps rolling along.

Dr. Zev Zelenko Interviewed About the Psychological Manipulation of the Pandemic

He gives the historyof how the best treatments were suppressed The in favor of treatments that don't work and are even dangerous, how the unvaccinated are being demonized.