Looks to Me Like the Rapture is to Come Mid-Trib "at the Last Trumpet," Rather than Pre-Trib

The more I think about the Pre-Tribulation Rapture the more problems I have with it. And I cewrtainly wish I didin't because I'd like to think it's going to come very very soon. So I hope I'm wrong but I haven't been able to make sense of the idea of two separate bodies of Christ or brides of Christ, and that's what seems to be the case if some of us leave in the Rapture but others have to stay through the Tribulation to get saved. And again, two sets of martyrs is a subset of that problem. How could the martyrs of the Caesars and then of the Inquisition of the Middle Ages, and those all over the world in our time, all come in the Rapture but there also be a large group of martyrs to be made during the Tribulation to join them later? I can't make this compute.

And then there is the problem of "the last trumpet" which is clearly given in 1 Corinthians 15:52 as the point at which the Rapture occurs. The only "last trumpet" in scripture is the one in the Book of Revelation, the seventh trumpet under the seventh seal, in which angels pour out from bows or vials the last great plagues of the wrath of God onto the Earth. I don't see any way to rationalize this clear last trumpet to be anything but the last trumpet, or to make something else be that last trumpet in order for the Rapture to occur earlier.

I've been accepting the Pre-Tribulation Rapture for a while now, and it makes sense thinking in terms of the whole seventith Week of Daniel as God's wrath which the Lord has promised the Church we will escape. And there is no doubt that what we see in the seven seals is God's wrath. HOWEVER, it's not as if the Chruch through the ages has escaped from God's judgments, and they have certainly come on many nations over the centuries. Destructive natural disasters are God's wrath after all and the world has had many of those, earthquakes, hurricanes we are seeing right now that are devasting. Famines, plagues or pestilences, floods, tsunamis, tornadoes, wildfires, what am I missing? Al are God's wrath and the Church has gone through all of them.

But the wrath that comes in the seven vials or bowls after the sounding of the last trumpet is in fact specifically CALLED "God's wrath" and nothing else in Revelation is called by that name. That makes it a strong possibility that it is this outpouring of wrath we are promised we will be spared.


As I've been rereading and pondering the Book of Revelation I THINK this occurs at the midpoint of the Great Tribulation, because of the many references to the three and a half years for various events that follow. The woman of Revelation 12 will flee to the wilderness where she will be fed for 1260 days, the two witnesses will prophesy for that same period of time, the Antichrist will be given power over the saints for that same period of time, and I forget what else at the moment. The same period of time is variously referred to as "time, times and half a time" or "forty-two months" or 1260 days or "three and a half years." There is no doubt about the precision of this time period, it has been stated enough different ways to leave no room for allegorizing it away. [By the way, this number is always computed based on a 360-day year, which I think is how ancient Israel computed it, adding leap time according to some rule I've forgotten]

It is only too easy to misunderstandd the timing of the Book of Revelation, the order of events, because alrthough the opening of the seals and the unfolding of the trumpets and bowls is clearly in order, the events described along the way aren't clearly designated for any particular time that looks certain to me. But it does seem that this three and a half years must all refer to the last half of the seventieth week of Daniel.

I haven't studied other eschatologies to know how, for instance, the Mid-Trib scenario is argued, but I seem to be veering in that direction. I'm still pondering Revelation and listening to sermons about it so I may change my view again. Meanwhile I don't see how to get around the "last Trumpet" as the main signal for the Rap[ture. In fact as I've been thinking about all this that part of Handel's Messiah has been going through my head so I'm going to post it here. In fact I'm going to post two versions of it::


That's the Czech orchestra with Vaclav Luks. Here's King's College Cambridge also. I couldn't find the older King's College performance i like better than this one but oh well:

A Brief List of the Benefits of Ivermectin

From Dark Horse Podcast, this is a couple minutes of Heather reading an excerpt from the abstract of an article about Ivermectin that lists its many effucacues:

They've just apologized for their acceptance of one study that turned out to be flawed, but the overall performance of Ivermectin remains high for many conditions, remarkably high.

Forced Vccinations, Destroyed Ballots in California Recall, People Trapped in Afghanistan...-- AND THE RISE OF THE POPE/CAESAR?

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See 8/28 update below.
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UPDATE: Really interesting story at the very end of Jan Markell's radio show, about a Jewish couple who'd spent their lives in America, both waking up one night with the strong impression that they were to "go home," meaning to Israel. They are not believers, and they dismissed the idea, but when it kept nagging at them they pulled up roots and headed to Israel. Now that is an amazing sign of the times. Scripture says that in the last days God will draw the Jewish people back to their homeland from all the places in the world where they had been scattered. Many have returned over the last century, but this kind of direct calling from God to go is a supernatural hint that the Grand Finale is at the very door.

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I like Jan Markell, I like the messages on her radio show Understanding the Times, and for the most part I think the end times prophetic viewpoint supported at her site is probably right as far as the timeline goes. Nevertheless I keep having objections to some parts of that end times viewpoint. Some things they think are yet future I think were finished in the past, and yet I'm not a Preterist who thinks it's all in the past. And what I think is in the past is continuing intot the future anyway, to become a big player in the future end times finale. THAT IS, I do believe the Antichrist has been known since the Bishop of Rome became supreme Bishop over the other bishops of the Christian Church in the seventh century -- or the sixth depending on which historical event is the pivotal one and I don't know for sure. The Great Apostasy which is also considered to be yet future in the currently popular end times scenario was the apostasy of the Roman Church which dominated the Middle Ages and persecuted the true Biblical Christians who tried to survive outside that institution. So I'm not expecting some revelation of an unknown Antichrist, he's been here in plain sight for centuries, the Apostasy has been roaring along for all those centuries as well, though clearly spreading in our time now, which is a sign that the end is very close.

The Pope is a political leader too, since the Vatican is a sovereign nation unto itself, or there way also be a Hitler type figure who will emerge as world leader. The Pope may be the False Prophet rather than the Antichrist, but his credentials are just so amazingly perfect for Antichrist that's a hard one for me to entertain. Oh and the Revived Roman Empire this current eschatology is looking for as a future development, that was the Holy Roman Empire of the Middle Ages, and it was certainly a different kind of Empire as scripture says it would be, run by a religious figure and made up of "Christians." But that too has a future form as the European Union shapes up. But all these things are continuations, they are not new developments. The EU will be "The Fourth Reich" following Hitler's Third, all these Reichs being versions of the Roman Empire that has had some existence since the Empire of the Caesars came to an end.

And when a teacher on Jan's show talks about the removal of the Restrainer, that person who keeps the Antichrist from coming to public prominence, identifies him as the Holy Spirit I just think how silly that idea is. God has been known to abandon a sinning people who have gone to far, there is no special "standing aside" to be mentioned, it's happened before. In this case the scripture is not talking about God the Holy Spirit, it is talking about a political figure who would be essentially displaced by this coming Man of Sin, and that was the Caesars. When that line of emperors was at an end then the Bishop of Rome came to prominence as the religious and political head oover the Holy Roman Empire.

-- UPDATE -- Added by edit 8/28: I didn't get the main point said, which is that there would have been no reason for Paul not to name the Holy Spirit as the Restrainer if that is what he had in mind. AND there is no reason that the Holy Spirit would have to be "out of the way" in any sense whatsoever for the Antichrist to be revealed. He didn't have to be out of the way for Hitler or any of the other antichrists to be revealed and there is no reason He'd have to be out of the way for the final one to be revealed. The reason for Paul's reticence has to be some threat to an earthly power by the revelation, and it makes sense that someone who purports to be the ruler the "Roman Empire" would threaten the Caesars, and however weak the rulership that is what the Pope supposedly was. Even to suggest the possibility would put Paul and the churches in jeopardy. They were being persecuted by the Caesars already anyway.

THE CHURCH WAS MARTYRED BY THE RULERS OF THE NEW TESTAMENT ROMAN EMPIRE, IT WAS MARTYRED FOR CENTURIES UNDER THE "CAESAR" OF "HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE" OF THE MIDDLE AGES" --- AND, according to many of the writers I list on the Catholicism blog, the antichrists that have risen since then have also been inspired by the Inquisition and in fact I believe ALL of them have either been Roman Catholics or influenced by Jesuits. Hitler himself said he modeled the Holocaust after the Inquisition. "Mein Kampf" was written by a Jesuit. Even Communist China made use of the dunce cap which is a relic of the Inquisition. The persecutions under Ceaucescu in Romania made use of the iron maiden which is a torture device from the Inquisition. The slaughter of the Tutsis in Rwanda was provoked by the smear campaign against them conducted over the radio by a Catholic priest, and the slaughter of the Serbs had the same Roman Catholic origin. In some sense the Inquisition never really stopped. The dungeons of the Inquisition were discovered in Rome by Garibaldi, a nun escaped from such a tortured life not too long ago though she disappeared afterward, there are still persecutions of Protestants going on in Catholic South American countries. I've pointed these out here and there, on my other blog for one.

< IT IS A STRONG POSSIBILITY THAT WE WILL AGAIN BE MARTYRED BY THIS SAME "CAESAR" BEFORE GOD'S WRATH FALLS ON PLANET EARTH, BECAUSE WE HAVE LET OURSELVES BE DUPED BY TGHE ANTICHRIST'S PR. Up until the first part of the last century there were still Protestants and others warning about the plots of the Jesuits to take back the power Rome lost to the Protestant Reformation. Then those voices stopped. The Jesuits had succeeded in silencing them. Now we even have "Protestants" who treat the Roman Church as just another demonimation. Even those churches that know better are not treating it as the threat it still is, just biding its time until conditions allow it to reclaim that role in the world. WAKE UP CHURCH!!!!!

NO I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT CATHOLICS AS SUCH, MOST OF THEM HAVE NO IDEA OF THIS HISTORY AND THEY ARE VICTIMS OF THE SAME FORCES.

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NEVERTHELESS I think the basic timeline for the very last days must be correct. At least I don't know yet how it isn't. I'm expecting the Rapture of the Church followed by the Day of the LORD or Great TRibulation and I'm expecting the Antichrist Pope to ascend to world leadership. He's already up there with them all anyway. He's part of the Great Reset which is the current ambition of powerful globalists such as Klaus Schwab, Prince Charles, even Bill Gates and Anthony Fauci. There are lots of Roman Catholics in such positions, Gates and Fauci for instance, with Jesuit influence, the scenario looks to me like it's all coming together for a renewed Inquisition headed by the Roman Church in concert with Islam, all followed by all the false religions of the world. After the true Church is gone.

I still think the basic scenario makes sense.

Um, with a reservation or two. The idea of two separate bodies of Christ, and two separate sets of martyrs of the Inquisition, which is implied in the current timelines, really does not make sense.

HOWEVER, after all that I want to post Jan's latest radio show and point out some highlights. For isntance, she plays an excerpt of a racent program with Michelle Bachmann who identifies forced vaccinations as the looming threat to America as we've known it. That starts about 12:30 on the counter. Goes for about four minutes. Then Jack Hibbs talks about the California recall of Governor Newsome, how the election to replace him has already begun and how ballots marked for Larry Elder are being found trashed in great numbers. Gosh, the Left is so democratic aren't they? So respectful of the right to free speech. The program goes on to more current events such as Afghanistan, related to the closeness of the very last days.

You don't have to go through it. You can recognize that Christ died to pay for the sins of all who believe in Him, repent and give yourself to Him and escape the coming tribulation.

A Trip to Fractal Eternity

THISW IS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL FRACTAL ZOOM i'VE SEEN SO FAR:
And here's a discussion of fractals, both an introduction to the concept for those who aren't familiar with it, and an exploration of its meaning from a Christian point of view.

What feels like an endless journey to infinity is nothing but the continuous magnification of a small portion of a two-dimensional mathematical image.

Forbidding the Cures for COVID, Silencing the Truth-Tellers, Pushing Good for Evil and Evil for Good

So, lessee, how did they put that? The FDA has not authorized or approved, is that how they said it? Has not authorized or approved the use of Ivermectin for COVID patients. Hm. Something like that. Heard it a few hours ago, then fell asleep, now my eyes are in bad shape so I'm not searching for it, but it was something like that.

Doesn't it kind of give you the chills? It does me. Well, there must be many out there who are so enclosed in their news bugbble they don't know anything about Ivermectin and whatever the FDA says is to be respected in their uneducated opinion. Too manyh of those no doubt.

But if you do know something about the situation, if you've listened to the doctors who know that Ivermewctin both prevents and cures COVID, then this statement should give you the chills. Does me. Same as the way they kept silencing the true experts who knew that Hydroxychloroquine works. If you don't know you're being lied to, if you don't know the truth is being suppressed, if you don't know the evidence that some repurposed drugs that are known to be completely safe work wonders with COVID, then you'll go on in your bubble. But If you know these things then you know there are powers out there who are promoting murder, and it's hard to think it's unintentional. We're past the point where the bad science is an excuse, the evidence for the efficacy of these drugs is out there.

So Ivermectin is not authortized and all those who are using it as protecting against COVID instead of getting vaccinated are going to be treated as public enemies, right? Already are so treated as far as the manipulation of public opinion goes.

The horror show we are living through has many tentacles, not just the pandemic horrors. I pray a lot. I also cry a lot these days. Makes my eyes worse. If I'm going to be around a while longer I'd like to have something effective to do about it. But it feels like evil is coming at us with iron gloves and there's really little anyone can do. God is allowing the evil to have its day. The Tribualtion must be right around the corner. Must be. How much longer can this go on? And if the Tribulation is right around the corner and the popular eschatology is right (I have some doubts but I hope I'm wrong) then I'll get to escape it all. I ache for those who will have to be here during it.

Lies and Selected Facts Create The "News"

You may be hearing of hospitals being strained to the max to deal with COVID patients, most of whom are supposedly unvaccinated.

You may NOT be hearing of the shortage of hospital staff due to nurses and others quitting because of the vaccine mandate.

You may not be hearing of the great number of illegal aliens who are hospitalized with COVID (at the hospital's expense of course), all of whom are unvaccinated.

You may only be hearing about the particular hosptials experiencing a great influx of patients, and not about those that are just about empty. People who have taken the trouble to call up hosptials that are in the news get a completely different story from what they heard. More should do that. Individual hospital workers also report such discrepancies.

Just leave out the details and create a narrative that vilifies a group you want to vilify. Simple. It's not an American thing to do of course, but it is a Marxist thing to do.

Countering the Anti-American Anti-White Propaganda About Slavery

Candace Owens gives a Short History of Slavery. it sure isn't the white race that invented it, nor are the slave owners of today whites. Whites too have been enslaved..

https://www.prageru.com/video/a-short-history-of-slavery/