Bad Science, Bad Journalism Used to Argue Against Concerns about the Safety of the Vaccines

Here's the video about vaccine deaths in Israel that I linked in my previous post about HCQ, after which it was taken down from You Tube for "violating [their] terms of service," by which of course they mean violating their politics.   

Fortunately these days we do have some other options for presering such censored information, such as, in the case of videos, Rumble or Bitchute.  I've only recently become aware of hem, but I found out immediately that they are dismissed by liberals as "right wing conspiracy" bastions, at least Rumble is, and I encountered that attitude toward Parler some time ago.  It's not that the sites are aimed at conservatives, just that conservatives go there because they are getting banned on the familiar social media.   Ah well, at least some censored material is available.   So this one was reposted both at Rumble and Bitchute.  Since a liberal friend treated it as "disinformation" because it was on Rumble (sigh) I'm glad to know it's also on Bitchute, although for all I know that will be dismissed in the same way.  ANYWAY, here it is on Bitchute.

Many Dying in Israel Following the Experimental Pfizer COVID mRNA Injections (bitchute.com)

This is an Israeli Christian man presenting a radio news broadcast in Israel on which the news announcer, Mordechai Sones,  reads a list of people who died soon after getting the Pfizer vaccine.  He reports names, ages, and whatever is known about their medical condition when they got the vaccine, and the circumstances of their death afterward.   The idea is to warn people that the vaccine can be dangerous for some people despite the general hyping of it by the government.

 Although the information is pretty straightforward, just a list of facts, as I say above it can be dismissed by a liberal mindset for being on a "rightwing" platform or for other reasons.  The host of the video comments after playing the radio broadcast that Bill Gates who is a major promoter of the vaccines, has said he thinks the world population needs to be drastically decreased, and this has led to suspicion about the safety of the vaccines he's promoting.  Which the video host mentions.  And that of course is a "conspiracy theory" which somehow becomes a reason to dismiss what the radio announcer said although there is no connection between the two.  (sigh).   Gates certainly isn't going to be advocating something he knows to be lethal (I assume) but he does manage to say things that make people nervous.  Anyway, again, it's irrelevant to the content of the radio broadcast.

The main argument against it is that somehow people who connect the deaths to the vaccine have failed to take into account that the people would have died anyway.. I was sent an article in response to the video that insists that is the case. 

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/how-conspiracy-theories-undermine-peoples-trust-in-covid-19-vaccines    How Conspiracy Theories Undermine People’s Trust in COVID-19 Vaccines 

The article is presented as if it's a reasoned  discussion of objections to the vaccine, but it's the usual leftist hit piece that attacks persons rather than the argument, and then when it finally gets around to offering some evidence it's addressed to a complete misrepresenation of the objection.  This is propaganda and it's distressing that many treat it as objective.

Vaccine-hesitant groups are exploiting the deaths of people who died of old age or underlying health conditions after receiving the COVID-19 shot to undermine trust in the vaccines. WesScientists say some deaths will occur during the COVID-19 vaccination rollout, but these deaths would have happened for other reasons and are unrelated to the vaccine.

 What does "vaccine-hesitant" mean?   A personality disorder?  A genetic disease?  What if it's an evolutionary adaptation that would benefit the "species" if  the less fit types don't wipe them out? (Yeah I know that by definition they can't be evolutionarily superior if they could be wiped out, but the fact is that it could happen and the ToE  just gets things wrong all the time.)   But I'm being silly.  Sort of.  The point is why are they talking about people at all, either groups or individuals?   

A credible approach would be to address the facts presented as evidence against the safety of the vaccine, not the people raising the doubts.. The whole thrust of this piece is to smear those who believe the vaccines can be dangerous, but in reality they believe this not because they are somehow defective personalities but because of the evidence as they perceive it.  If they are wrong it's because sometimes people get thigs wrong, including scientists, so deal with their evidence.  This kind of writing is nothing but character assassination, a kind of "journalism" that used to be condemned, but it seems to be standard practice these days in the service of a particular ideology.

And it goes on to tell us that these obviously defective "vaccine-hesitant" human beings have scurrilous motivations, as they are exploiting the deaths of people who died of old age or underlying health conditions after receiving the COVID-19 shot to undermine trust in the vaccines

Wow.   "Exploiting?"  Wow.  And exploiting with the intention of "undermine trust" as if they just have some predetermined need to exploit and undermine trust.  What sleazy "reporting."  I wonder how long it took to select the terms with which to construct this picture of obviously horrible people.   

Eventually some evidence is offered:

...latching onto reports of real deaths following the shot, blaming the vaccine and disregarding medical information that other causes are to blame...

“Older people in nursing homes are being prioritized for the vaccine [and] that’s a group of people who are dying at a higher rate already.”

Ignoring that important context is a strategy ...  

"...[people] should not be unnecessarily alarmed if there are reports, once we start vaccinating, of someone or multiple people dying within a day or two of their vaccination who are residents of a long-term care facility.” [Moore said]

But there was more to Moore’s statement that the meme left out, Reuters reported. She went on to say, “That would be something we would expect, as a normal occurrence, because people die frequently in nursing homes.”

The additional context clarifies that Moore is saying deaths in nursing homes that have nothing to do with the vaccine should be expected. 

Is this convincing?  For starters, why would people who distrust the vaccine be employing a "strategy" to discredit it?  It's a very strange idea that people just have this irrational need to fnd fault rather than that they honestly believe there is reason to consider the vaccines dangerous.  Instead of smearing the people who have such concerns, shouldn't the aim of such an article be simply to prove them wrong with real information?  The fact that elderly people die in greater numbers than others anyway is not exactly evidence.  Where are the statistics showing that they normally die at the same rate they are dying after being vaccinated.  OK, so they go on to offer some statistical support: 

According to [The COVID-19 Vaccine Communication Handbook],, “if we vaccinate 10 million people and the vaccine had no side effects whatsoever, then over the following two months we can nonetheless expect that 4,025 of those vaccinated will have a heart attack, 3,975 will have a stroke, 9,500 will have a new diagnosis of cancer, and 14,000 will, unfortunately, die.”

“The key is that statistically bad things will happen to a small percentage of people after vaccination even if the vaccines are perfectly safe,” Dr. Robert Wachter, professor of medicine at the University of California, San Francisco, told Healthline in an email.

Yeah, plausible enough in the abstract but you still have to show that this is in fact what is going on.  We need the number of deaths that have occurred after taking the vaccine to compare with these averages.  Are the numbers the same or not?   There is a dearth of examples of the thinking of the so-called "vaccine-hesitant" people in this article, all we get is these claims that they are attributing deaths to the vaccine that would have occurred anyway.  Lots of innuendo, no actual evidence.

Perhaps the video I posted above is unusual among the "vaccine-hesitant" but the radio announcer gives quite a bit of specific information where it's available.   I went back and counted:  28 deaths were listed and he stopped because he didn't have time to include more.  For some of them he says only that the person died "after receiving" the vaccine, giving no time frame, but for 16 of them he says how soon they died, and most died within days, a couple a week, one a few weeks, two "immediately after."  Most were elderly but there were a few in their forites, and two in their twenties.  Underlying conditions were mentioned in a few cases, but many were described as completely healthy before getting the vaccine.   While it's possible a few of the deaths were unrelated to the vaccine, it's highly unlikely given the facts that any more than that were coincidental.  The circumstances point to the vaccine as the cause.

The article was sesnt to me as an answer to the video's associatio of the deaths with the vaccine.  It should be quite clear that the people on the list did not die of old age but of the vaccine.  For one thing the deaths occurred very close to the time the shot was given, so the two months range of the article's statistics is not applicable.   And if you're talking about the normal frequency of deaths in elderly people -- or those with underlying conditions -- they don't just up and die all of a sudden as these people did.  The statistics are irrelevant.  This is just propaganda based on plausibe-sounding insinuations, not science despite the usual invocation of science as what makes their thinking superior and trustworthy.  No, it's all just "narrative" buttressed by word salad sprinkled with denigrating words for the doubters and references to credentials and "experts" and sciencey terms for the good guys in the story.   It's a shoddy piece of propaganda that should never have been published, and wouldn't have been in saner times.

I think this quote from  Robert F. Kennedy, a "vaccine-hesitant " "activist" nails it:  

“Coincidence is turning out to be quite lethal to COVID vaccine recipients,”

They actually called this an "emotional" argument.  No, it's just a very funny way of saying how shoddy their reasoning is.

The reasoning is as bad as those many studies of hydroxychloroquine I've mentioned.   They did the studies on hospitalized patients who are normally too sick to benefit from HCQ plus zinc; in some cases they administered the HCQ without the zinc which is useless since it's the zinc that kills the virus while the HCQ is the means of its delivery;   they also failed to distinquish between the low-risk patients who would have recovered without any treatment and the high-risk patients who die in the greatest numbers, and would certainly die even if given HCQ and zinc, because it was given too late to benefit them.  Science has been takinjg a beatinjg lately, in these ridiculous studies and in this ridiculous article that's supposed to prove the vaccines are safe and objectors are idiots.  Politics seems to kill off IQ points.

It's been hard to write this post because I kept wantinjg to answer the endless errors in the article.  Choosing a few to make the point was quite a chore.  I hope I succeeded and didn't leave out anything essential.  

BACK TO HCQ. The Love of Money is the Root of All Evil // The Fear of Man Bringeth a Snare

UPDATE 3.     Keep finding things on Zelenko's website I want to post.   Here's a whole page with some links on it:    Dr. Zelenko Telemedicine Consultation - Stand Out Global

There's a short video there, less than two minutes, where he discusses the vaccine and concludes that nobody needs it.  If you are low risk you don't need it because you'll recover anyway, and if you're high risk you can take the HCQ protocol prophylactically or when symptoms first appear and do well.   If you get the virus you'll develop antibodies and be protected that way. 

And remember, the ionophore-plus-zinc treatments work with any version of the virus, all its mutant versions, whereas the vaccines only work with a specific virus.

There's also a video, about eight minutes, of his discussion with  a pharmacist who refused to fill his presription for HCQ, which shows that the political suppression is going strong.

UPDATE 2:   Here is a very inspiring interview with Dr. Vladimir Zelenko who was the first to develop the HCQ treatment.  He goes into his own personal experiences over the last year dealing with cancer,  and how he learned about the HCQ plus zinc treatment, then the political suppression of his treatment and the political attacks on him personally.  He describes how the treatment works.        01/28/2021: Dr. Zelenko: Interview with Peter Breggin (bitchute.com)

He answers a question in this interview that I've had for some time, which is how Trump got COVID if he was taking HCQ as we know he did for a while. Zelenko says he took it for two weeks and then stopped, he doesn't knjow why.   So its efficacy as a prophylactic is not called into question after all.  I still have the question why he didn't resume taking it when he first got symptoms.

He had a personal experience of losing his frear of man during his bout with cancer so here's the scripture basis for that:

Proverbs 29:25  The fear of man bringeth a snare: but whoso putteth his trust in the LORD shall be safe.

Main point to keep in mind about the medical situation:  Zelenko's protocol is not the only effective treatment, which he mentions in the interview, although since it works so well I'm happy staying with it, but he emphasizes that the main thing is EARLY TREATMENT WITH HIGH-RISK PATIENTS.  It has to be early and there's no point in treatintg low-risk patients because they recover on their own. 

UPDATE 1:  Was sent this video about people in Israel dying after receiving either the first or second dose of the Pfizer vaccine.   Many Dying In Israel after Receiving Vaccine: - YouTube

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I'm still a big fan of hydroxychloroquine for treatment of COVID at the first apearance of symtoms.  Although we now have many new options as well HCQ continues to occupy its own special niche, the best option of them all if it can be used at the right time.   There are better treatments now for the later stages of the disease, and there are now vaccines of course.   But if you're lucky enough to catch the symptoms at their earliest appearance, HCQ is still the remedy of choice.  It prevents the development of the more dangerous phase of the virus, can knowck it out within the first week without hospitalization.   

Ivermectin is another drug with a good record, and quercetin works the same way HCQ does, only not quite as effectively.    I've got Quercetin and Zinc on hand and take it from timje to time but not regularly.  HCQ and Quercetin are ionophores and zinc is an ion.  It's Zinc that kills the virus in the cells but it needs an ionophore to open the cell for it to get in and do its work.  (I don't see why it wouldn't work just as well on one version of the virus as another mutated version too since it  doesn'[t like viruses, period.)    HCQ works best for that purpose.  None of this has changed.  I still think HCQ the treatment of choice if it's available at the right time and I still think it would have saved most of those who have died if it hadn't been politically suppressed.   You can read all about it at 

The Zelenko Protocol:  The Zelenko protocol (utrgv.edu)

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Of course we now have the vaccines as well.  I know lots of people who have had it without problems but I also know of a large number of cases of bad reactions and even death, besides which it's still not completely clear how effecrive they are either in keeping you from getting the virus or keeping you from spreading it.  I'm not ready to have an opinion about it except to say I'm wary of it.   And I'm still convinced that the best way to go is HCQ at the first appearance of symptoms.   Oh and it's also good to do what you can to boost your immune system.  Vitamin C, Vitamin D in particular, the best form of D being sunlight.   Wear a mask when appropriate.   We all know when it's appropriate even if the politicians don't.  (Or I'd like to think so, but people out walking or biking in the open air without other people around don't need it.  Do I have to say this?)_

THE COMING GLOBAL DYSTOPIA WITH A SURPRISE ENDING FOR THE ANTICHRISTIANS

A GLOBAL UTOPIA -- really a DYSTOPIA

So let's start this one at thelobal level and maybe work down from there.   I've been getting most of my information about "The Great Reset" from Jan Markell's ministry, her Understanding the Times radio show, and I've posted links and information about it here and there over the last few months.   I just watched a brief interview with her on the subject here:  Unmasking the Great Reset - YouTube   It's a good summary of what it's all about, the plans of the World Economic Forum to create a global government that absorbs all national entities into itself and imnoses a radical socialist agenda on the entire world population.  Which we're supposedly going to love.  

The same players keep showing up in these global contexts.  Here we have George Soros, Bill Gates, Prince Charles and Anthony Fauci.  Interesting, huh?  It's headed by Karl Schwaub and I don't know anything about him but the others are certainly well known.   Jan says that their website is enormous and just chock full of amazing information about how they plan to rule the world.  

In my last post I highlighted Chris Pinto's latest radio show which is mostly about the meaning of Trump's loss of our recent election and the role of the Jesuits in national affairs.  He identifies Anthony Fauci and Bill Gates as Jesuit-inspired among dozens of others embedded in the government.  He's not talking about the Great Reset but there they are on the World Economic Forum.   Getting rid of Trump has global implications Jan Markell discusses, since he's a strong nationalist and global government has to do away with nations.  In that service we have the propaganda about how nationalism is always fascist nationalism rather than the simple patriotic American nationalism of Trump.  So getting rid of Trump was essential to The Great Reset.   Her context is the global context, while in this latest Noise of Thunder radio show.  Chris Pinto's context is American politics.   He sees the ousting ofTrump as equivalent to the Jesuit Gunpowder Plot to bring down the Protestant King in England.  In this case it unseats a strong defender of Protestant values in American government and brings back all the Jesuitically supported leftist doctrines Trump had overturned.    

Pinto mentions a video by a conservative Catholic, Taylor Marshall,  decrying the inluence of leftist Catholicism in America with this election, "The United States of Pope Francis:"   

The United States of Pope Francis: Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, and John Roberts - YouTube

How happy Catholics would have been to see such a broad Catholic influence in America, but this influence isn't traditional Catholicism, it's globalism, it's Marxism, it's abortion, it's treated pagan religions as equivalent to Christ, and they don't want that any more than Protestants do. Taylor Marshall is certainly Catholic, however, recites The Lord's Prayer in Latin, which is hocus pocus that doesn't please God , so he's sadly deceived about salvation in Christ although his politics are congenial to a Protestant. He's one of many conservative Catholics who oppose Pope Francis though they've never understood that the existence of the papacy itself is antichrist. He doeswn't understand that even the title " Vicar of Christ" is antichrist, he thinks the problem is with this particular Pope, or individual Popes. He thinks the Roman Church has been infiltrated by alien forces, that are now infiltrating the American government, rather than that the institution itself has been corrupt at its core from the beginning. But he's got a lot of things right on the politial level. To call ecumenicism the religious version of globalism is prescient of him. He's rightly saddened by all this, rightly says "All we can do is pray," but then tells us we should "pray the rosary" many times a day, and then closes with the "Ave Maria," which is of course a direct reflection of just what we are told in scripture NOT to do, pray the repeititive prays of the heathen. Oh Taylor Marshall, prayer is talking to God from your own heart, not reciting empty formulas. We should certainly be praying of course, and one thing we should pray for is that Catholics will see through their apostate religion and repent.

Anyway, Chris Pinto identifies the ascent of Biden and other Catholics as an American Gunpowder Plot.  It's a big coup for the globalists of course, since Trumpian style America is the biggest obstacle to their plans.  With him out of the way and the rest of us silenced their path is clear.  

  Transforming America is part of the project and there is still the problem of us uppity liberty-loving American patriots, but they've been succeeding awfully well at shutting us up if not converting us. What's astonishing is how they get so many ordinary liberals to work toward their goals. How is it that ALL the mainstream news reporters include the term "baseless" in their references to Trump's claims of election fraud? How have so many been persuaded to further the propaganda machine? How did they get all the Big Tech powers working in concert to silence the truth? What sort of network of influences has to be involved to pull that off? And how scary is it that every time we think we may have a voice for our side out there, such as for instance Newsmax, it ends up letting us down? So Newsmax shut up Mike Lindell who was talking about election fraud. That's a No-No even for Newsmax. Can't even discuss it as a possibility that should be investigated. Nope, we've got to toe the party line which is that it's "baseless" and nobody is allowed to have a contrary opinion even when our own eyes tell us they are lying.

 Not sure how much more needs to happen before the Antichrist Global Religiopolitical Government is solidly established and the stage is fully set for the Grand Finale of the great battle of good versus evil that has been playing out on Planet Earth since the Creation. 

THE THEOLOGY OF THE GREAT RESET 

That;s it of course, the Grand Finale that those who are following biblical prophecy know is coming soon, starting with the Snatching Away of the Church followed by the Day of the LORD.   John MacArthur has a recent series on the Day of the LORD:    

Understanding the Day of the Lord, Part 1 - YouTube

Understanding the Day of the Lord, Part 2 - YouTube

Understanding the Day of the Lord, Part 3 - YouTube

They aren't expecting the Great Glitch though, or the Great Wrench in the Works, which is that as soon as they get their global plans in order and manage to get rid of millions of dissenters, the Day of the LORD will descend on them in fury.    

They aren't expecting God.  

Another Evolutionistic Stomachache

 I keep being frustrated by coments about the importance of evolution in understanding all kinds of things related to biology that I know to be false.  Who am I of course to say this?  I'm not a biologist.  I could say that I absolutely know evolution is false  because I know God's Word is the truth and evolution contgradicts God's word.  In fact I will say that, did say that.  But that's not the level of discussion on which I encounter the problem, which is really on the biological level itself.  

Evolutionary biologists ASSUME the whole kit and kaboodle, just assume it.  They act as if it's settled knowledge and don't see that they are only assuming it.   In fact they assume it so completely they don't seem to feel any need to explain their thinking which leaves it to me to guess what they think they are talking about.  

They think evolutionary knowledge is essential to understanding how vaccines work, or ecological systems.  No it isn't.  They are confusing their theory with observable biological facts that do not require evolution to understand them.  They are most likely talking about mutations and treating mutations as practically synonymous with evolutoin, or at least evidence of evolution when no, they are not evidence of evolution, they are mutations.  

You can talk about mutations without invoking the theory of evolution at all and talk about it probably even more effectively because it's free of unnecessary cognitive detours.   Or they are talking about normal built-in genetic variation which evolutionists usually subsume wrongly under the ToE, by assumption again.   Or maybe they are just talking about commonly observed relationships between different biological systems or creatures and again assuming the theoretical evolutionary relationships, which again is just excess useless baggage.   

I can barely stand to hear people talk about human history or experience or society or culture in evolutionary terms, it is so reductionistic and shallow.   No, human beings cannot be reduced to biology.  No.  

I'd like to be more specific about this but I'll have to come back later for that purpose if I can.  

Yeah, well that moratorium on politics lasted about, what? eight hours or so. Sigh So what is it REALLY all about: The hiddenest conspiracy of them all.

I try to keep up my courage in the face of the constant threat of censorship and other forms of silencing of people with my mental bent, but I have to admit it's getting pretty scary.  And of course it's pooh-poohed by lots of people I talk to so one does end up alone with these things.   There are some topics that at first seem best kept under wraps, but then I end up deciding that's really the path of cowardice so I write about them anyway.   Oh there are lots of "controversial" ones these days, the whole litany of political correctness taboos being a fairly comprehensive  list of land mines you can step on with the most innocent comments.  Now we can't talk about the very great possibility of election fraud, oh no no no, the idea is "baseless" according to all the media accounts that should be neutral but of course aren't.   I'm always surprised when liberal friends and acquaintances don't immediately agree that such censorship is anti-American but I guess I'm just naive that way.  Over and over I expect a sane voice to agree with me and none does.  I HAVE found some sane liberal voices online though and I'm happy about that, but they aren't my own personal acquaintances.  

Oh well , I'm in such an isolated Blogger backwater these days I don't threaten anyone anyway, and that fact does at least permit me to say whatever I want, even if I do have to hold my breath to say it.  On Facebook or Twitter I couldn't get away with saying some things I say here.   I do hold my breath every time I write a "constroversial" post though.   And here comes another one.

Chris Pinto.  He's got his own website, he's not dependent on Big Tech to the extent I am.  Probably more than I know however.  The servers themselves are owned by the forces of darkness these days.  They pulled them out from under Parler after all.    We've all got to toe the Leftist line or else.  That's the rules.  Whaever they call "misinformation" has to be silenced among other things.  

So today's Noise of Thunder radio is about how today's American politics are a version of the 1605 Gunpowder Plot to blow up the British Parliament and kill King James 1.   It was engineered by Jesuits who are dedicated to destroying Protestant nations wherever they exist, and Pinto says he thinks that's the case with the ousting of Trump and the installation of Biden.   He ticked off a long list of Jesuit-influenced people in the Trump administration who have been working against him from the beginning, also his own appointees to the Supreme Court among other things.  Of al the conspiracies that we can identify these days this one is the most unsuspected, the most hidden and yet very likely at the very root of them all.   Most Christians don't have a clue about these things and someone like Trump would be easily deceived by them.   Certainly this one gets a lot of eye-rolling and energetic pooh-poohing, especially by secularists who blindly assume all religions are pretty much the same.

Ah well.  He makes a good case that we just experienced our own Gunpowder Plot or Guy Fawkes Day.  He goes into the ecumenical position of Rome in embracing all religions and how bringing Muslims into the West is their doing.  All this of course fits with my argument that a Pope, mostly likely Francis himself though the time is getting short, is to be the final Antichrist of the Great Tribulation period.  Also known as the Day of the LORD.  

See, what the unbelieving world doesn't know and has to treat as false is that historiy is all about God's plan of redemption  through Jesus Christ AND about His plan to punish Satan and his followers, which is what the Day of the LORD is all about.  You do't want to be on Satan's side and go through that, take my word for it.  But getting anyone to take my word for anything is a crazy daydream of my own.   Ah well.    

Oh, neearly forgot, he shows that there are plans in the works to justify and reinstate SLAVERY as a fine institution, especially since Mohammed practiced it.  Oh and rape too.  Such wonderful Progressove policies are developing in our world.  Like rolling back the gains made on behalf of women by trating biological men who want to be women as really women so they can compete in women's sports.  If you are intimidated into tolerating such idiocies please wake up.

NOTR - CURRENT EVENTS - 2.5.21 - Show Downloads - Noise of Thunder Radio with Chris Pinto

I'm going to try to stop talking about politics now

 So we've exchanged a man who can be rude and crude and personally obnoxious at times but extremely effective as a policy maker for the good of the country, for a figurehead who will be overcome by the hard Left and usher in a totalitarian government that silences and eliminates all those it dislikes while destroying the economy, marginalizing and putting its own citizens in danger, and making America into a third world slum. Great.  

HOW THEY GOT TRUMP SO ABSOLUTELY WRONG. Good Analyses of the Anti-Racist Craziness Marred by Trump Derangement Syndrome

I really like a lot of these black "public intellectuals" I recently discovered through Bret Weinstein's "Roundtable" discussion.  Bret Weinstein's DarkHorse Podcast - Black Intellectual Roundtable - YouTube      They are true thinkers and do a good job of analyzing the "Anti-Racist" insanities.   But when it comes to Trump, with few exceptions they are irrational Trump Haters.  I watched a discussion between Glenn Loury and Coleman Hughes about race that was really good and illuminating.  Coleman Hughes on The Problem of Race with Glenn Loury [Bonus Episode] - YouTube

Then I watched a discussion between Loury and John McWhorter in which Loury did a great job of defending Trump's policies and then caved on a point of Trump's character.  Then I watched a discussion between Coleman Hughes and Andrew Sullivan in which they tear Trump apart.  

Why did you cave, Glenn Loury?  Trump's threat to democracy | Glenn Loury & John McWhorter | The Glenn Show - YouTube   Glenn Loury has generally done a fine job of defending the policies of Donald Trump and countering the attacks on Trump as a personality as mostly irrelevant in the context of his policies.  Now he capitulates with a "mea culpa" because he thinks Trump shouldn't have been contesting the election outcome as he did, that "a bigger man" would simply have stepped down.  Because of this, and apparently only this, he now agrees with some of his opponents that character has been a bigger factor in the Trump presidency than he's admitted.   He mentions a book by a NeverTrumper that apparently contributed to his change of view, that persuaded him of the great importance of character in the Presidency.  

Which of coursre makes me gag.  Who are you putting above Trump in that category?  Biden?  Gag.  Hillary?  Gaggity gag.  Obama, yeah gag even to the superficially clean Obama.  Bill Clinton?  Gabbity gaggity gag gag gag.  What on EARTH can it mean to criticize Trump when this is the company he must be judged by?  You've lost your compass, Loury.

But his character is now the big issue because of his challenging the election results?  Golly Gosh, didn't Gore challenge and ghallenge and challenge the election results against Bush?  But that wasn't a character flaw.  In that context we aren't talking about how a "bigger man" would have stepped down?  What?

And of course supposedly Trump didn't have enough evidence to make his claim.  (Gore did?  "Hanging chads?")  But in fact there was so much "irregularity" that points to election fraud in many big blue cities it's a mere technicality to say he has no "evidence."  Hundreds of witnesses signed affidavits testifying to many different kinds of fraud they personally witnessed, some of it pretty small and local such as running the same ballot through the tallying machine many times, but some of it pretty big, such as truckloads of ballots showing up to be counted in the dead of night.  And dozens of other "irreguarities" besides.  Starting with the last-minute changes to the rules for voting that opened up the possibility of vast fraud.  AND the fact that the voting machines were capable of being programmed to switch votes from one candidate to another.  LOTS and LOTS of reason to take Trump's claim seriously.

I also want to object again to the characterization of Trump as out only for his own interests.  .Which in the case of a self-made billionaire is about as wacko as it gets.  People who have known him for years have said he'd often talked of running for President BECAUSE HE CARED ABOUT THE COUNTRY.   This same theme came across in the Republican Convention last summer too.   This idea that he would fight the election results for some egocentric reason so misjudges the man it makes me cry.  He's no paragon but one thing I know, as do his supporters in general, he was working for the good of the nation AND NOT FOR HIMSELF, and he did an enormous lot of good during his few years even in the teeth of constant obstruction and endless fraudulent attempts to bring him down.   Losing the election wasn't just his loss it was the nation's loss and boy do we feel that loss acutely as we watch the Democrat rolling back all the good that Trump did.   Maybe we can't prove it yet but I'm convinced that eventually it will be proved that the election was rigged and that Biden is in fact the bogus President they kept falsely saying Trump was.

Then I heard some of Coleman Hughes talking with Andrew Sullivan about Trump, in which they dissect his personality so viciously it's like a punch in the stomach.  I guess I'[ll never get it,  I'll never be able to coimprehend how they are reading him.    .The End of Trump with Andrew Sullivan (Ep.18) - YouTube

McWhorter found it hard to believe that Loury didn't see Trump as the venal narcissist he hallucinates in him.   His detractors see him as a threat to democracy, a threat to the Constitution.  This is astonishing.  His supporters see him as the complete opposite, the savior of the Republic (not really a democracy) and the Constitution, against the Left which is the real agent of destruction of everything American.  Making America Great Again means at least strengthening and preserving America's foundations.  How is it McWhorter and Hughes and Sullivan can see him as the opposite?  How?  Hughes said at first he thought Trump really could be a Hitler.  Then he realized he was not a Hitler, he was a "different kind of "a-hole."  What are they seeing?    Sulliivan gives a clue when he says he realized that Trump isn't the kind of authoritarian who seeks to control others since he was mostly objecting to interferences with his work.  To Sullivan he was attacking the Constitution by asserting his right to be left alone to do his job as if that meant he was bent on doing whatever he pleased with no concern whatever for the Constitutional restraints on him.  This is mindboggling to someone who knows he was objecting to the incessant UNCONSTITUTIONAL obsturctions and intereferences with his CONSTITUTIONALLY DEFINED ROLE AS PRESIDENT.  He was objecting to that interference and gets seen as the one doing the obstruction and the interfer\ing.   What a diaboligical situation he was in.  And his opponents just go right on with their blind misreading of everything that was happening and their own antiConstitutional assaults oln the man who was just tryinjg to do the job he was elected to do.  So Sullivan has generously exonerated Trump of being a fascist/authoritarian, now interpreting him as merely an unethical narcissistic personality. At least he has the grace to wonder if he got it right.  But in rushes Hughes to assure him that he did, that Trump is just so selfish he can't even have an evil vision  for the country.  

I've got to emphasize this because I'm realizing it's at the core of the political divide concerning Trump.   Hughes says Trump is so selfish he can't even have an evil vision for the country because all his visions are for himself.  This is the essence, the core of how theyh misread Trump.  I may never get what it is in their heads that leads them there but it's become clear to me that they go wrong somewhere in here.   This is staggering.  Absolutely staggering.   But it how the Left tends to see him.  And the got it exactly precisely backwards.  It was ALL for the country, all of it.  NOT FOR HIMSELF.  When he kept emphasizing his accomplishemtns IT WAS BECAUSE THEY KEPT DENIGRATING THEM OR IGNORING THEM, IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH HIMSLEF, IT WAS ALL ABOUT WHAT HE WAS TRYING TO DO FOR THE COUNTRY.  ALL Of IT.  They hallucinate narcissism in the very things he was doing FOR THE  NATIONJ.   How do they so completely misread him?  There is something wrong  with the minds of these people.  I don't get it, I can't get it, I'll never get it.  They invented the Trump they hate, it's not the real Trump.   They have a whole different set of signs and switches on the tracks in their heads than I do and than 75 million Trump supporters do.  

Tyrant

Dictator

Way of speaking

Flagrant Selfishness

Public pronouncmenets (such as being victorious in the election.)

That's Hughes' list of Trump traits, all of which are sheer insanity from my point of view.  Again, Trump was the ANTIDOTE to tyranny, the dictatorship we saw in Obama and the Democrats in general, now the Biden administration.  The "selfishness" was nothing but his insistence on emphasizing his accomplishments in fulfilling his campaign promises.  It truly looked like he'd won the election on election night and a lot of us still think he did and that it was lost overnight becausae of fraud.  But the point is that he says these things FOR HIS SUPPORTERS because the media hat4e him and hate his supporters and he saw his job as keeping the truth alive that was being buried by the Left.   It's a crazy blindness that doesn't see this. .    

Sullivan would say similarly hateful things while yet acknowledging that some of Trump's policies are good ones he agrees with.  He objects to the racial obsession of the Left, he wants protected borders, he liked what Trump did with the economy.   All the things that Trump's voters like he also likes.  Except for his weird assessment of Trump's personality.  Four more years of Trump could have saved the nation.  Now it's all going to be destroyed.  Again.  People losing jobs, environmental measures that actually do nothing to help the environment, in fact increase the carbon footprint rather than decreasing it, and losing all the jobs Trump created, and so on and so forth.  Down to oblivion we go.  Because some people hallucinate Hilter in a true American patriot while letting the real Hitlers acquire the power to destroy the whole country.